O/T: Big Companies make money from Porn.

Geoff 9 May 2003 00:28:06 31 posts
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Just watched a clip on ABC News about the US Porn Industry being Exposed. They say General Motors, Aol Time Warner and others make Big money from the porn industry.

These companies do not show their earnings or mention anything on their company Profile.

AOL Time Warner Pipe Hardcore Movies (Girls are usally exploited) via Cable through the likes of Playboy. And General Motors bring Hardcore Films to people via Direc Sat TV in the States.

Do u think it's right for these large companies to be making money secretly through exploting women and trying to keep it secret?

Moonbender 9 May 2003 00:31:57 407 posts
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Yes.
mentat 9 May 2003 00:38:51 5,613 posts
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No i don't think it's right.
It should be free.

Pirotic Moderator 9 May 2003 00:39:34 20,644 posts
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while im sure the companies you mentioned are in no way breaking the law, i think the fact the companies try to keep it secret is proof itself that if the userbase knew about there porno links, they would probably be less liked and there main products might suffer as a result of people picking a company which doesn't endorse pornography.

I always think its important that the consumer is as aware of the company and not just the product, Nestle, Nike.. the list of companys which have some rather uneffical practices is too long to repeat.

Moonbender 9 May 2003 00:51:50 407 posts
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That is true. And of the unethical things those companies do, pr0n is the least of my worries.
JaysonG 9 May 2003 00:56:07 830 posts
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We get ABC News?

sam_spade 9 May 2003 00:59:50 15,745 posts
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Pirotic wrote:
while im sure the companies you mentioned are in no way breaking the law, i think the fact the companies try to keep it secret is proof itself that if the userbase knew about there porno links, they would probably be less liked and there main products might suffer as a result of people picking a company which doesn't endorse pornography.

Christian organisations carry big clout with the media companies, hence the difficulty over Dogma. Should they get their arms up about this a company probably be facing a boycott of its products and services.

As for exploitation I can think if worse things than being a bunny girl, being me for instance.

Marcus 9 May 2003 12:19:37 1,646 posts
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While these companies do not state explicitly that they get money from porn (or erotica or whatever), they still have to disclose which companies they own and the earnings from those companies.
Stories like those from ABC and reactions similar (or more extreme) to Geoff hardly encourage greater disclosure. As other people have mentioned (Pirotic), there are more reprehensible practices for companies to adopt than selling pay-per-view porn.

Edited by Marcus at 14:53:56 09-05-2003

FWB 9 May 2003 12:21:53 56,369 posts
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Companies screw (pun intended) people all over the world over and don't admit to it.

Marcus 9 May 2003 12:38:15 1,646 posts
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True, but supplying legal porn to people who want to pay for it should not be worth comment. Poor labour practices or unethical marketing is. The sad thing is that the media is more interested in the porn than the unethical stuff (in the US at least).

pjmaybe 9 May 2003 12:39:24 70,666 posts
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Waitaminutewaitaminute back up a second...

You mean people PAY for porn!?

Peej

Shivoa 9 May 2003 12:42:45 6,314 posts
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>You mean people PAY for porn!?

If the general public knew as much about the net as most of the youth of today everyone would have broadband and Kazaa would be the #1 software package in the world. The world is a very expensive place when you have to pay for information.

Edit: I still can't spell

Edited by Shivoa at 11:43:21 09-05-2003

FWB 9 May 2003 12:53:29 56,369 posts
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Marcus wrote:
True, but supplying legal porn to people who want to pay for it should not be worth comment. Poor labour practices or unethical marketing is. The sad thing is that the media is more interested in the porn than the unethical stuff (in the US at least).

Indeed. I think that was really the point I was trying to make.

brokenkey 9 May 2003 15:22:51 11,128 posts
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Hang on, this isn't right.

Firstly, General Motors don't own DirecTV - Rupert Murdoch has just bought it.

Secondly, they don't own the porn companies, they are just acting as a condiut for someone elses product - in exactly the same way that they also carry programmes about wars (I dont see any headlines saying AOL makes profit from war), or CISCO routers carry the porn to people's computer at home.

brokenkey 9 May 2003 15:24:14 11,128 posts
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Errol wrote:
If I was a hot girl, and could make thousands of pounds a week just by doing a couple of porn movies, I would do them.

Easy money, if you ask me.

If you were a hot guy you could make thousands of pounds a week doing gay porn movies. Now, are you a hot guy or did you not really mean what you just said?

Marcus 9 May 2003 15:38:42 1,646 posts
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pjmaybe wrote:
Waitaminutewaitaminute back up a second...

You mean people PAY for porn!?

Peej

I suppose someone must do so, even if kazaa/edonkey/gnutella make it effectively free...

terminalterror 9 May 2003 19:18:21 18,932 posts
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As previously stated, acting as a carrier of porn channels is nowhere near as bad as for instance, sueing Ethiopia for $6million link.

FWB 9 May 2003 19:23:52 56,369 posts
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Fucking pisses me off! Those fuckers have been screwing over the Third World with their still-born baby powedered milk for decades and now they're demanding money for nationalisation? Go fuck yourselves Nestle!

terminalterror 9 May 2003 19:29:21 18,932 posts
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They have consequently backed down and so I have given up my Nestle boycott

Geoff 9 May 2003 21:00:51 31 posts
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JaysonG wrote:
We get ABC News?

U can watch ABC on Realplayer Plus. Well u can view clips of shows and headlines. Also watch the station live, but server if always fecking full.

And there is a Control Room Link where u like veiw 4 screens at once

Geoff 9 May 2003 21:03:43 31 posts
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Errol wrote:
If I was a hot girl, and could make thousands of pounds a week just by doing a couple of porn movies, I would do them.

Easy money, if you ask me.

The first part of this special report relased around 3 weeks was about Bella Donna. After watching her interview I don't think you would wanna make films.

Off course they seem great to watch but the way the women are treated behind the scenes just is'nt on.

brokenkey 9 May 2003 21:24:05 11,128 posts
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Then you need to learn a little more about the porn industry. There are bad porn companies, the worst of whom is max hardcore, and there are also very good companies, run by people like Nina Hartley, Sharon Mitchell and Jane Hamilton.

These people treat their actors with great respect, and make sure they are doing it for the right reasons.

But don't just take my word for it, or ABC's. Buy or borrow a copy of Once More With Feeling, by Victoria Coren & Charlie Skelton, and you can start to understand that what a right-wing media would want you to believe is the whole truth.

Geoff 9 May 2003 22:59:00 31 posts
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brokenkey wrote:
Then you need to learn a little more about the porn industry. There are bad porn companies, the worst of whom is max hardcore, and there are also very good companies, run by people like Nina Hartley, Sharon Mitchell and Jane Hamilton.

These people treat their actors with great respect, and make sure they are doing it for the right reasons.

But don't just take my word for it, or ABC's. Buy or borrow a copy of Once More With Feeling, by Victoria Coren & Charlie Skelton, and you can start to understand that what a right-wing media would want you to believe is the whole truth.

I never said that there was'nt any good companies. As for Max Hardcore- yes I know of his work.

But ABC were looking @ many different companies. It also picked out the companies which do treat their actors well ie VCA. But it showed the companies in LA which do not treat their actors well.

If your intrested in the industry then u could check the clips. Also Bella Donna talked openly about her experiences.

Edited by Geoff at 22:01:49 09-05-2003

sam_spade 9 May 2003 23:19:16 15,745 posts
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Here's the story from ABC news.

News story from after the story aired NSFW

Some | reaction from the pr0n industry. (NSFW either)

Edited by sam_spade at 22:19:59 09-05-2003

Fizzy 10 May 2003 01:15:04 929 posts
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The skin trade is full of sad stories. All of em, strippers, porn starts, prostitutes, most of em get sucked into it unwillingly and cant get out.

brokenkey 11 May 2003 14:36:48 11,128 posts
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I don't see it as any worse than the exploitation of children in the third world that takes place so that we can all wear trainers.

Or that of the Pharma companies in refusing to allow the African national plagued by AIDS from buying generic versions an anti-retroviral drugs at a fraction of the cost.

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