Following Donald Trump, first orange US President Page 1393

  • Khanivor 24 Sep 2020 15:26:14 44,570 posts
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    Tuffty wrote:
    Even with a reasonable request to charge officers for the killing of an innocent woman and expect better, you'll still get cunts willing to publicly put their name and face out there on social media disagreeing and praising the police. Now of course you have protests in which officers have already been shot and murdered in retaliation. Country's fucked.
    If you really look at the Taylor case you learn that while the police acted against department policy there wasn’t really any crime committed. The officer who fired the fatal shits could be argued as commuting negligent homicide but really, it’s nothing like the clear cut case of murder that has been portrayed.

    Both sides of the divide are able to go off on one based on bullshit that confirms to their chosen narrative
  • Decks 24 Sep 2020 15:30:00 26,870 posts
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    The fact that they're shitting on black people tells you all you need to know.
  • MrWonderstuff 24 Sep 2020 15:35:56 3,369 posts
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    Trump being heckled with 'Vote him out!' chant.


    See 1:51.

    Edited by MrWonderstuff at 15:38:11 24-09-2020
  • Technoishmatt 24 Sep 2020 16:31:29 4,624 posts
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    Khanivor wrote:
    Tuffty wrote:
    Even with a reasonable request to charge officers for the killing of an innocent woman and expect better, you'll still get cunts willing to publicly put their name and face out there on social media disagreeing and praising the police. Now of course you have protests in which officers have already been shot and murdered in retaliation. Country's fucked.
    If you really look at the Taylor case you learn that while the police acted against department policy there wasn’t really any crime committed. The officer who fired the fatal shits could be argued as commuting negligent homicide but really, it’s nothing like the clear cut case of murder that has been portrayed.

    Both sides of the divide are able to go off on one based on bullshit that confirms to their chosen narrative
    Yeah, basically what else could have happened? Police bust in unannounced, homeowner shoots as he doesnt know who these intruders are, police are obviously going to shoot back. In UK that would a clear and avoidable infringement of human rights legislation, right to live, but US doesnt have anything like that.

    The no knock warrant policy clearly creates a massive risk of this happening, in a country where people are going to have guns. The bonus here is of course that minorities probably more likely to have this happen to them...

    The revealing double standards of course being that this was basically somebody defending their castle and using their 2nd amendment rights, and it should be picked up strongly by 2nd amendment right wing types as government over reach, and state sponsored violence against citizens. But the victims are black, and they have a hard on for use of violence and LEOs, so, nah.
  • Khanivor 24 Sep 2020 17:03:01 44,570 posts
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    Yeah, it goes both ways. The 2A dickheads are just ignoring this as gun rights for whites is what they actually believe in. Plus the whole ‘tree of liberty needs watered in blood’ is great for t-shirts and bumper stickers and chest thumping, not so great when you have tiny peckered little men with the courage of a custard.

    On the other hand, all the attention on this botched raid comes from the ethnicity of the victim. No-knock warrants lead to whites getting shot to death pretty regularly. I doubt it would take too long to find a similar case where the victim is white but no one would ya have heard of it

    Make no mistake, blacks are victims of systemic racism and overt police brutality. But all Americans are potential victims of the broken justice system and broken attitude of law enforcement.

    I wish this wasn’t being handled as a race issue. It’s a humanity issue, a human rights issue and a thread that needs pulled from the frayed, poorly woven blanket of American society
  • Rodney 24 Sep 2020 21:19:04 4,663 posts
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    That's statistics arent that clear on this, I believe.

    Black people are way over represented in crime statistics and police encounters because for historical / systematic reasons, they are over represented in social classes / areas where crime is higher. when you control for this they aren't murdered at a rate by police that is significantly higher than whites.

    That's not to say there aren't racist police officers, and I think it might be a particular problem in some local areas in the South, but it doesn't really show up in national statistics.

    I think the bigger issue is really just police brutality generally, and black deaths, because there are so many if them, bring this into focus more
  • Rodney 24 Sep 2020 21:22:01 4,663 posts
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    Decks wrote:
    The US army won't fuck about in getting him out if he won't come out peacefully. I'm hoping for a sniper round to the head and it bursting like a ripe pumpkin.
    There's a good article in the Atlantic this week about this, it basically says the risk isn't that Trump won't concede, it's that he'll misuse his power so that there is no clear result. The legal authorities won't forcibly remove him if it's not clear who won the election.
  • Rodney 24 Sep 2020 21:22:59 4,663 posts
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    from the article:


    A lot of people, including Joe Biden, the Democratic Party nominee, have mis­conceived the nature of the threat. They frame it as a concern, unthinkable for presidents past, that Trump might refuse to vacate the Oval Office if he loses. They generally conclude, as Biden has, that in that event the proper authorities “will escort him from the White House with great dispatch.”

    The worst case, however, is not that Trump rejects the election outcome. The worst case is that he uses his power to prevent a decisive outcome against him. If Trump sheds all restraint, and if his Republican allies play the parts he assigns them, he could obstruct the emergence of a legally unambiguous victory for Biden in the Electoral College and then in Congress. He could prevent the formation of consensus about whether there is any outcome at all. He could seize on that un­certainty to hold on to power.



    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/

    Edited by Rodney at 21:24:09 24-09-2020
  • nickthegun 24 Sep 2020 21:30:45 83,331 posts
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    I really struggling to work out how this has surprised anyone. This is a guy who didn't accept the result of an election he *won*.
  • reddevil93 24 Sep 2020 21:32:34 15,682 posts
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    He's going to burn the place to the ground sooner than walk out peacefully and accept his consequences.
  • Decks 24 Sep 2020 22:25:15 26,870 posts
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    But what about those emails eh.
  • creepiest-lizard 24 Sep 2020 22:36:08 2,162 posts
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    Apparently the white house had a plan set up and ready to go with USPS for them to send five reusable masks to every household in America with guidelines on when and how best to use them and it was vetoed by Trump at the last minute as they didn't want to panic people. This was in April.
    Surely something big should be made of this?
    The democrats should be talking about this non-stop.
  • fontgeeksogood 24 Sep 2020 22:37:25 10,892 posts
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    Oh, Hillary would have been a dumpster fire too, it would have just been hidden better
  • JamboWayOh 24 Sep 2020 22:39:46 21,097 posts
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    Well at least he built that wall and got Mexico to pay for it, and he set up a new healthcare plan and ONLY 200,000 people died from that virus which is going away soon.
  • Decks 24 Sep 2020 22:55:48 26,870 posts
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    It wouldn't have been remotely as bad as this. Not even in the same ball park.
  • beastmaster 24 Sep 2020 23:10:57 21,395 posts
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    You lot talking like he’s not gonna win.
  • Rogueywon 24 Sep 2020 23:17:07 9,485 posts
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    beastmaster wrote:
    You lot talking like he’s not gonna win.
    He's not. He's way, way behind, the polls are absolutely steady and there are very few undecideds. The margins are beyond anything that voter suppression can overturn, particularly now he can't just turn off the postal service. He's fucked.

    If he outright loses the election and says he's not leaving, the military will politely but firmly escort him from the White House. If he wants to hang on for a while through lawfare, he'll need a close result (2000 close) and absolutely nothing points to that. Remember, Republican appointees to the Supreme Court are originalists, not Republicans.

    And on Hillary... I kinda understand why she lost. She had a track record going back to the '70s of believing she was above the law. I can just about understand how, if people were prepared to squint a bit and stick their fingers in their ears, people might have been able to see Trump as more of an unknown quantity. That's just not the case this time around.

    And no, Hillary would not have been just as bad as Trump at responding to COVID. Though if there's one thing I'd like to see Biden maintain, it would be the hard line on China. Hillary had a big China weakness (parallel to Trump's Russia weakness).
  • creepiest-lizard 24 Sep 2020 23:26:17 2,162 posts
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    Everything does point to Biden winning buts just the tiny chance that Trump could be there for another four years is so terrifying to any same person that you cant help but worry.
    I just hope that Biden doesn't shit the bed in the debates or get Covid and it kills him.
    Harris will annihilate Pence.

    Edited by creepiest-lizard at 23:27:56 24-09-2020
  • Rogueywon 24 Sep 2020 23:35:05 9,485 posts
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    @creepiest-lizard Yeah, I know. That tiny little worm of fear is real. His first term was bad, but recoverable. Give him a second and we slide down a very dark slope.

    Biden having a mid-debate meltdown is one risk, but an unlikely one. His team will pump him full of racehorse steroids before he goes on stage if they have to. Don't underestimate Pence, though. He's not a nice man, but is also a savvy politician and a brutal debater. Harris will do well to come out with a no-score-draw. But that's not going to be a game-changer at this point. There aren't enough undecideds out there for a VP debate to upset the race.
  • Deleted user 25 September 2020 00:21:11
    I hope orange toddler suffers a landslide defeat.
  • Psychotext 25 Sep 2020 00:50:48 67,580 posts
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    He's going to lose... but most importantly for him, and his supporters, is that he's building up a narrative that he didn't actually lose, but the other side stole the election.

    That way they'll all know deep down that he's the best president of all time, even if he didn't have a second term like that ni... guy from ken... african american president.
  • Rodney 25 Sep 2020 02:35:33 4,663 posts
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    I know Biden has a strong lead, but I can still him losing.

    The Republicans will no doubt drop some dirt on Biden in October (real.or imagined), fake news will get ramped up and amplified through social media, Republicans will narrow the margin with voter suppression, and armed vigilante election monitoring groups. And trump will probably seek to block mail in vote counts after election day.

    It might be to make the result ambiguous.
  • Psychotext 25 Sep 2020 02:42:11 67,580 posts
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    They've got nothing. If anything there's more dirt coming on Trump in the mean time.

    Voter suppression is a genuine concern, but I think strength of feeling from democrat voters is enough to overcome it (see BLM protests).

    Edited by Psychotext at 02:43:11 25-09-2020
  • reddevil93 25 Sep 2020 04:45:13 15,682 posts
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    They already tried to drop some dirt through that Ron Johnson twat that went down like a lead balloon.
  • Dougs 25 Sep 2020 06:08:01 95,995 posts
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    https://mobile.twitter.com/BeschlossDC/status/1309167480540205059

    How on earth has the country become so polarised? It's fucked up. The UK isn't far behind
  • Rodney 25 Sep 2020 06:34:49 4,663 posts
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    The dirt doesn't have to be true, just look at Benghazi and Clinton's emails.

    With Trump, his corruption and general cuntiness is already priced in. Potential Trump voters either don't care about it or won't hear about it because they live in the Facebook/Fox News Bubble.

    On the other hand, I can imagine Biden losing some support if the Republicans find some dirt that sticks.
  • creepiest-lizard 25 Sep 2020 06:39:55 2,162 posts
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    It's simple really. The right wing, of both America and the UK, became even more selfish , greedy, xenophobic, racist, science hating , history rejecting and all round humanity hating than usual but now they somehow couple that with being even more basically incompetent at the most basic of governing than usual.
    It's a wild ride to hell.
  • Mola_Ram 25 Sep 2020 07:04:11 24,589 posts
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    Rodney wrote:
    On the other hand, I can imagine Biden losing some support if the Republicans find some dirt that sticks.
    I'm not so sure they will find something that sticks. The nepotist stuff with Biden's son, Biden stumbling over words, Biden using a teleprompter for interviews, Biden (allegedly) supporting rioting and looting, etc etc. There's possibly some dirt there that would make a difference in any other race, and Republicans/Trump seem to be trying their best, but none of it really seems to be shifting the figures at all.

    I think that's partly because opposition to Trump is almost as baked in as support of Trump is. He is a known quantity (there's no room for "but maybe the presidency will change him" fantasies this time), and either you love him or you want him out. And if that means ignoring basically everything that's dodgy about Biden... well, that's a price worth paying to get rid of Trump.

    Edited by Mola_Ram at 07:08:41 25-09-2020
  • challenge_hanukkah 25 Sep 2020 07:17:55 13,166 posts
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    Mola, you and Roguey are fucking jinxing it again.
  • Mola_Ram 25 Sep 2020 07:20:04 24,589 posts
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    Sorry, what I meant to say is that Trump will obviously win.
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