boo wrote:I'm going to quote this for posterity when we try to identify who these mysterious good number of sensible republicans are, especiallywhen they've spent the last 4 years absolutely silent, been totally okay with kids being separated from their parents, the demonisation of immigrants, islamaphobia, homophobia, transphobia, anti a woman's right to choose, shit the list just goes on. |
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JamboWayOh 22,445 posts
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Psychotext 69,155 posts
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Registered 15 years ago"Like all of you, I was shocked and deeply saddened by the calamity at the Capitol last week."
I assume the calamity was them failing to get the coup done? -
boo 13,653 posts
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Registered 17 years ago@JamboWayOh
I don't disagree - millions upon millions of Republicans have behaved in a despicable fashion, but I do think there's a good number that aren't complete morons. I do think the next few years will see the right separate into two distinct groups.
I could be wrong though. -
Ddanno 1,758 posts
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Registered 6 years agomuddyyfunster wrote:
THEM is a very good read
beastmaster wrote:
He's essentially a barking anus of hate and needs to be starved of direct attention so try not to add traffic to his platforms.
I had no idea this guy existed. Is he always like that? Must check out his stuff.
If you want to know more without directly lending him hits, Jon Ronson has done some interesting stuff on him. -
Youthist 14,445 posts
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Registered 15 years agoPsychotext wrote:
I can’t work out if he was shocked and deeply saddened before or after telling them live on TV afterwards that he loves them and that he understands why they were doing it?
"Like all of you, I was shocked and deeply saddened by the calamity at the Capitol last week."
I assume the calamity was them failing to get the coup done? -
simpleexplodingmaybe 16,065 posts
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Registered 5 years agoPsychopath Test too
And everyone should be made to read So You’ve Been Publicly Shamed before opening a social media account -
simpleexplodingmaybe 16,065 posts
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Registered 5 years agoI think the calamity was the low class of their dress -
Mola_Ram 25,155 posts
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Registered 9 years agoboo wrote:
I think you are wrong - the current rot is pretty entrenched, and I don't think a single setback is going to be enough to reverse it - but I hope you're not wrong. Good government needs good opposition, so having a not-completely-insane Republican party is good for the country.
@JamboWayOh
I don't disagree - millions upon millions of Republicans have behaved in a despicable fashion, but I do think there's a good number that aren't complete morons. I do think the next few years will see the right separate into two distinct groups.
I could be wrong though. -
beastmaster 21,841 posts
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Registered 16 years agoDdanno wrote:
I watched about 30 seconds of the gay frog segment and had enough.
muddyyfunster wrote:
THEM is a very good read
beastmaster wrote:
He's essentially a barking anus of hate and needs to be starved of direct attention so try not to add traffic to his platforms.
I had no idea this guy existed. Is he always like that? Must check out his stuff.
If you want to know more without directly lending him hits, Jon Ronson has done some interesting stuff on him. -
Tuffty 4,763 posts
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Registered 14 years agoHouse of representatives impeaches him again. The only president to have it done twice. All that winning, must be exhausting. -
challenge_hanukkah 13,588 posts
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Registered 7 years agoboo wrote:
Do you still think Brexit was a good idea?
@JamboWayOh
I don't disagree - millions upon millions of Republicans have behaved in a despicable fashion, but I do think there's a good number that aren't complete morons. I do think the next few years will see the right separate into two distinct groups.
I could be wrong though. -
Dirtbox 91,948 posts
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Registered 18 years agoThe only thing that matters is while the republicans won't remove him, but they will keep him from running for office again. The house republicans are irrelevant, it's the senate who will convict him, and he'll be out of office by then. -
Graxlar_v3 10,806 posts
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Registered 3 years agoGraxlar_v3 wrote:
Of course he isn’t past Grax... the orange one thinks being president is his right and that isn’t going to change now.
So is he going to quit tonight? Will allow Pence to pardon him -
Rodney 4,871 posts
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Registered 14 years agoSo, does McConnell not reconvening the senate early indicate a higher chance of the senate voting to support impeachment?
At first I thought it signalled McConnell being obstructionist because he doesn’t support inpeachment - which might still be the case.
But by delaying it, the Dems will need fewer Republican Senate votes (because the Senate will flip to a Dem majority), and it might reduce the political cost to Republican senators who support impeachment - because it won’t be a vote to remove a sitting President.
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Rodney 4,871 posts
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Registered 14 years agoDo the Dems have more damming evidence that they are holding back and using for leverage?
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Dirtbox 91,948 posts
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Registered 18 years agoI explained it a few pages ago.
Dirtbox wrote:
No, the dems don't seem to have anything else they're holding back.
So Mitch will not agree to bring the senate back early, meaning a senate trial won't happen until the early days of Biden's presidency. So trump will be impeached today but his trial won't be until after the inauguration.
That sets the republicans up to convict, but not remove, which is the only reason a bunch of house reps didn't vote to impeach.
There are already 20 senate republicans who were willing to convict before Mitch voiced his support for impeachment behind closed doors and more will now be open to it because they won't be responsible for removing him, only being left with deciding whether he should be allowed to hold public office in the future.
Seems like a neat little stitch up from the GOP that thumbs it's nose at the dems while simultaneously allowing them the final say, because the GOP will no longer be the majority when the inditement goes down.
Convoluted, but very interesting and frankly a little bit shit, but this way at least trump is very unlikely to be able to make a comeback.
The thing is, trump will then be accessible for regular law enforcement to place whatever charges they want on him. I doubt they can make any incitement or sedition charges stick though, there's plausible deniability in play.
However, they may. It really depends on the witness testimony regarding trump's reactions to the carnage.
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Rodney 4,871 posts
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Registered 14 years agoThere is a degree of plausible deniability, but that might be a harder position to defend if he actively participated in any planning, which he might have done.
Can he pardon himself now he’s been impeached? -
Technoishmatt 4,869 posts
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Registered 7 years agoNothing has changed to what he can do. He has basically just been charged, not convicted.
But still if he pardons himself that is an admission of guilt, he loses right to plead the 5th, and leaves himself open for civil trials. -
Tonka 31,560 posts
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Registered 17 years ago6 more days to start a war with Iran. -
Decks 28,417 posts
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Registered 5 years agoTechnoishmatt wrote:
That seems to be up in the air at the minute.
Nothing has changed to what he can do. He has basically just been charged, not convicted.
But still if he pardons himself that is an admission of guilt, he loses right to plead the 5th, and leaves himself open for civil trials.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/13/no-trump-cant-pardon-himself-impeachment-would-strip-him-that-power/%3foutputType=amp -
simpleexplodingmaybe 16,065 posts
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Registered 5 years agoSelf pardoning for a crime which you’ve not yet been convicted of is the fishiest thing -
Decks 28,417 posts
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Registered 5 years agoYou've obviously never been to a brothel in Middlesbrough. -
disusedgenius 10,645 posts
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Registered 13 years agoRodney wrote:
I somewhat doubt that Trump has the ability to plan in that kind of way. If they get anything on him beyond a 'who will rid me of this turbulent priest' type deal I'd be surprised.
There is a degree of plausible deniability, but that might be a harder position to defend if he actively participated in any planning, which he might have done.
Saying that, the impeachment is for 'incitement to insurrection' so actually that may be enough - especially if they find links to people close to him. -
Decks 28,417 posts
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Registered 5 years agoMy apologies. -
simpleexplodingmaybe 16,065 posts
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Registered 5 years agoGiven the charge is incitement and there is video of him inciting all it really needs to the GOP to wake up -
Dirtbox 91,948 posts
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Registered 18 years agoRodney wrote:
He could never pardon himself in the first place.
There is a degree of plausible deniability, but that might be a harder position to defend if he actively participated in any planning, which he might have done.
Can he pardon himself now he’s been impeached?
As for the conspiratorial element of his replacing top pentagon staff with loyalists who held back military aid until it became clear that no democrat targets were killed or taken hostage, or Capitol police who were both complicit and made it easier for insurrectionists to take aforementioned targets by disabling panic buttons the previous day, providing the attackers with blueprints and maps with offices belonging to the targets marked out.
I doubt trump had a personal hand in that beyond a quick, quiet, off the record word in someone's ear and they made it all happen. Or whether supporters on Parler planned it out in private and got the loyalist cops involved.
We'll have to see.
We'll also have to wait and see if any incriminating photos of turncoat republicans begin to surface in the tabloids. That above all else will be the death knell for trump.
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fontgeeksogood 11,986 posts
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Registered 3 years agoI've only skim read this page, but tell me, why are there no 'trump pardon' jokes? Come on, Britain -
RobAnybody 2,845 posts
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Registered 9 years agoFor those that haven't seen it, this is Trump's post-2nd-impeachment address:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRCWvUaos2U
And yes, for the second time he unequivocally throws his mob under a bus. Then he spends a minute or two at the end whining about censorship.
The chance of him having written this is about zero of course and he was no doubt 'coerced' by assorted higher ups in government. Kind of "do as you're told or there'll be even more trouble for you after the 20th". Various companies withdrawing support for him undoubtedly pressured him too.
He also doesn't state that Biden won, doesn't state that there was no fraud, and so on. Unsurprisingly there's even a recent report that he still sometimes rants in the White House that Biden didn't win and that the election was stolen from him. I think he'll go to his grave believing that delusion.
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djronz. 464 posts
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Registered 9 years agoThats an obvious deep fake, you can tell easily, his face looks all rubbery and skin tone is unnatural.... -
Thats an obvious deep fake, you can tell easily, his face looks all rubbery and skin tone is unnatural....
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