Following Should Marijuana (Weed) Be Legal in the UK? Page 3

  • brainbird 9 Jan 2016 15:16:31 2,593 posts
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    All so-called drugs should be legalised. To tell an adult person what he or she is allowed to consume or not isn't in line with a free and progressive society.

    The "damage to society" is first of all highly debatable and then it's not really an argument anyway. I'm not arguing that a lot of substances can harm people but criminalizing it doesn't exactly make the problem go away, does it? Case in point: Look at the state of our society now.
  • brainbird 9 Jan 2016 15:20:31 2,593 posts
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    How exactly does it reduce the problem?
  • wrinkly 9 Jan 2016 15:23:11 3,721 posts
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    I'm against drugs, full stop. Never taken them, never will (I'm discounting nicotine and alcohol because of 'reasons'). BUT - those who will take drugs will take them whether it is legal or not, I would therefore allow them to be sold at reasonable cost through official channels in order to cut out the criminal element that at present is taking all the obscene profits from their sale, and allow our government to make the obscene profits themselves and reduce our taxes. It will never work or happen, but there you go.
  • MadCaddy13 9 Jan 2016 15:23:22 3,006 posts
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    U mad bro?
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  • Deleted user 9 January 2016 15:26:20
    TheMayorOfJugs wrote:
    sport wrote:
    drhickman1983 wrote:
    But it's possible to enjoy an occasional drink without being an alcoholic. It's also possible to smoke marijuana occasionally without being a pothead.
    The problem is when they're not smoking, they're telling you about it. Worse than vegetarians and crossfitters.
    There's one guy I smoke with who has to comment on the potency, good or bad, of whatever we've managed to obtain every time. Every time. It wrecks my tits. You're not alone, we hate them too xoxo
    :D

    I also have a friend that does this.
  • reddevil93 9 Jan 2016 15:27:32 14,757 posts
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    Fourfoldroot wrote:
    reddevil93 wrote:
    I'd say the people that can't get a job because they are locked up on weed charges, paid for by tax payers money are more of a burden on society than weed smokers.

    You're really overestimating how much it impairs people's ability to function.

    Not to mention all the money weed being illegal makes for criminals.
    Fair points. But, at least here, people aren't put in prison for smoking weed, only selling. Those people would often move on quite easily to selling harder drugs so I'm pleased those people are in jail.

    Imprisonment for smoking weed is clearly stupid, a fine is enough. The illegality is more a message that this is wrong and damaging. That's always the best message for anything both damaging (to whichever degree you wish to agree) and addictive.
    Well maybe if weed was legal these people wouldn't get involved in that criminal activity whatsoever.

    They might even have a job through legal means
  • drhickman1983 9 Jan 2016 15:27:35 5,651 posts
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    Friday night A&E is mostly due to idiots who drink too much. I don't think legalising other drugs would make any real difference to that particular problem.
  • Deleted user 9 January 2016 15:34:36
    Regarding the discussion about it being very difficult to illegalise alcohol because it's already everywhere, so is marijuana. I buy it online. It's super simple. If you want to smoke it, you can order it tonight and get it delivered first class delivery the next day.

    Legalising it gives us tax money, cuts out meeting dealers that act as a gateway to other drugs that they may be selling, and cuts out dangerous stains as it will be regulated.
  • brainbird 9 Jan 2016 15:35:29 2,593 posts
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    Fourfoldroot wrote:
    brainbird wrote:
    How exactly does it reduce the problem?
    Do you think as many people would drink alcohol if it wasn't legal and so readily available? That's how.
    I think most people need something to cope with their lives. Sometimes they find comfort in legal substances, sometimes in "drugs", others listen to what Jesus allegedly said. This is not a battle you can win with laws.

    To answer your question: If alcohol wasn't legal it would be sold illegaly because there's a demand for it. Maybe not as much as now it's legal but I highly doubt there would be less "damage to society".
    Have you ever been in the US? Ask there how the prohibition went and ask them how well that "no alcohol under 21" law works.
  • Deleted user 9 January 2016 15:36:58
    drhickman1983 wrote:
    Fourfoldroot wrote:
    Only weed is worse because it damages the efficiency with which society can function and remain rational and cohesive.
    I don't think the decriminalising of marijuana would lead to society crumbling. If marijuana was legal the world would continue in much the same way as it currently does.
    Society doesn't crumble even though people like to get shitfaced drunk on a Saturday night.
  • Deleted user 9 January 2016 15:37:14
    Legacy_System wrote:
    Tell someone working on a Friday night in A&E that all so called drugs should be legalised and that the damage to society is highly debatable and you'll be laughed at.
    Maybe they'd be a bit close to the downside to give an evenhanded opinion?
  • FartPipe 9 Jan 2016 15:40:37 5,307 posts
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    Fourfoldroot wrote:
    FartPipe wrote:
    Fourfoldroot wrote:
    FartPipe wrote:
    Fourfoldroot wrote:
    No. Why legalise a damaging drug? Would you want your kid to be a pot head? On an individual level I don't think the government have the right to say you can't l, but on a societal level they have a duty to.
    Alcohol is more damaging yet that's legal.
    And? I didn't think the question was "should alcohol be illegal?"
    So then why should weed be illegal?
    Non medicinal weed should be illegal as it is an addictive and damaging substance. Same way allowing addictive and damaging substances in food is illegal.

    Only weed is worse because it damages the efficiency with which society can function and remain rational and cohesive.
    Have you ever taken the stuff, I have, it's just like getting drunk sort of but less damaging, and how many times have you heard anyone go on a ganga rage, non because it chills you out, alcohol turns some people into monsters.
  • TheMayorOfJugs 9 Jan 2016 15:42:06 6,489 posts
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    I like this thread. No one has been called a cunt yet. Though, by pointing this out, I've probably invoked the wrath of Deckard's law, and will be called a cunt by someone not really involved in the discussion in the very near future.
  • Deleted user 9 January 2016 15:42:54
    Legacy_System wrote:
    Tell someone working on a Friday night in A&E that all so called drugs should be legalised and that the damage to society is highly debatable and you'll be laughed at.
    I would like to see the statistics for patients that are in A&E because of marijuana. I'm going to guess it's pretty low.
  • brainbird 9 Jan 2016 15:43:36 2,593 posts
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    Legacy_System wrote:
    Tell someone working on a Friday night in A&E that all so called drugs should be legalised and that the damage to society is highly debatable and you'll be laughed at.
    You misunderstood what I said. Drug abuse does harm people (I even explicitly wrote that) and therefore to society. But the argument was that the legalisation would increase the damage done to society which I do not believe.

    If your friends at A&E think they would have less problems on a friday night after legalisation then it's them who should be laughed at.
  • TheMayorOfJugs 9 Jan 2016 15:44:42 6,489 posts
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    Fartpipe has pointed out my main argument for weed over drink. I've fallen out with some great friends who turn into assholes when they drink, and have seen good, decent people go to court for drunken shenanigans. Whereas we just chill the fuck out when we smoke, and bond a bit usually.
  • TheMayorOfJugs 9 Jan 2016 15:46:22 6,489 posts
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    Physically_Insane wrote:
    Legacy_System wrote:
    Tell someone working on a Friday night in A&E that all so called drugs should be legalised and that the damage to society is highly debatable and you'll be laughed at.
    I would like to see the statistics for patients that are in A&E because of marijuana. I'm going to guess it's pretty low.

    Becky injected 4 whole marijuanas and died you know. RIP in peace Becky.

    Edited by TheMayorOfJugs at 15:47:00 09-01-2016
  • Deleted user 9 January 2016 15:46:42
    @brainbird

    Do you mean more problems after legalisation?
  • H1ggyLTD 9 Jan 2016 15:49:01 11,224 posts
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    Yes.
  • senso-ji 9 Jan 2016 15:50:25 8,993 posts
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    All drugs should be legalised and slapped with hefty duty charges. Add legislation to ensure the quality of the substances produced meet a standard that''s safe to consume, and you have drugs being no different than alcohol and cigarettes.

    Read lots of reports and accounts by police in most developed nations and they'll tell you that most crime they deal with is linked to drugs. Making substances legally available and well regulated will free up their time and make certain communities safer, with the extra taxes generated from drug sales going towards more policing of more serious crimes and setting up clinics for supporting the inevitable addicts.
  • Deleted user 9 January 2016 15:50:41
    TheMayorOfJugs wrote:
    Physically_Insane wrote:
    Legacy_System wrote:
    Tell someone working on a Friday night in A&E that all so called drugs should be legalised and that the damage to society is highly debatable and you'll be laughed at.
    I would like to see the statistics for patients that are in A&E because of marijuana. I'm going to guess it's pretty low.
    Becky injected 4 whole marijuanas and died you know. RIP in peace necks.

    I lived with my Nan for a bit while I was trying to be an art student in Farnham. She waved a copy of the Mail in front of me which had a death linked to weed on the front page.

    I tried to point out that the fact that it was front page news could be indicative of its rarity but that didn't sit with her worldview which the paper was compounding.

    The thing is most people I know that partakes knows it's damaging. They know the risks.
  • TheMayorOfJugs 9 Jan 2016 15:54:39 6,489 posts
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    Mistress wrote:
    If booze is legal, then weed can be.

    Only in the home though. I don't want to be breathing their shit while I'm out socialising.
    Another good point. I was in Amsterdam in the Summer, and couldn't believe how prevalent the smell was. People smoking on the fountain in the main square while children played nearby was a bit uncool.

    If it's legalised, then, as has finally begun to happen with cigarettes, there should be laws protecting those who want nothing to do with it (and children) from exposure.
  • brainbird 9 Jan 2016 15:54:48 2,593 posts
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    JiveHound wrote:
    @brainbird

    Do you mean more problems after legalisation?
    Yes, of course, you're right. I'm not editing it though.
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