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  • RyanDS 13 Mar 2018 11:23:48 11,905 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    Japan are, apparently, the worst in the developed world for it.

    They barely allow anything to be taught that casts them in a negative light, so a lot of the population think Japan were hard done by in the war and did nothing wrong.
    The general teaching of WW2 is "we were sitting there minding our own business then we got nuked!"
  • thelzdking 13 Mar 2018 11:26:30 8,382 posts
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    disusedgenius wrote:
    Yeah, in the grand scheme of things I think we have a decent awareness of our colonial past, certainly compared to most.

    That's still damning with faint praise, though.
    I'm not sure. I know a lot of older people who still think that the British Empire was 99% good and sure a few bad things happened but we British civilized the world and those upstarts in India or whatever have far more to thank us for than they realise the ungrateful savages.

    You point out things like the Boer War camps or the Amritsar massacre and they either shrug and say "never learned that at school" or justify it as if they were a 19th century imperialist.
  • thelzdking 13 Mar 2018 11:27:43 8,382 posts
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    Younger people far, far less so, although I've noticed a bit of revisionism creeping in.

    Edited by thelzdking at 11:27:59 13-03-2018
  • disusedgenius 13 Mar 2018 11:31:48 9,299 posts
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    Sure, but them needing to justify at all it is a small gain in and of itself.
  • whatfruitlivesagain 13 Mar 2018 11:36:11 1,222 posts
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    Younger people I find do not really understand it. You could argue we are as bad as the Japanese. I believe the general school pattern is the Saxons, 1066 & Magna Carta, The Tudors, The English Civil War followed lastly by WW1 and WW2.

    What happened in between Sir?

    We beat the French at the battle of Waterloo.

    Edited by whatfruitlivesagain at 11:38:25 13-03-2018
  • Psychotext 13 Mar 2018 11:39:51 63,544 posts
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    Ugh, I'm in a cafe and I'm having to listen to some gammon gobbing off about how / why he voted out. Apparently he doesn't like integration.

    ... and he's just mentioned how many people in Europe don't have Western values. Mmmm... dogwhistley.
  • whatfruitlivesagain 13 Mar 2018 11:41:40 1,222 posts
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    And I dare you to find a state school which teaches the invasion of William of Orange or Cromwell's "pacification" of Ireland.
  • thelzdking 13 Mar 2018 11:42:31 8,382 posts
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    Yeah, they taught little post-Stuart stuff when I was at school. We did 19th century social stuff at A-Level (dull-as-fuck), but very little about the Empire.

    You often hear calls from people to teach the history of the Empire. Sometimes because it's a big gap, but also from gammony people who claim that the lefty establishment has whitewashed our great history :/
  • thelzdking 13 Mar 2018 11:44:28 8,382 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    Ugh, I'm in a cafe and I'm having to listen to some gammon gobbing off about how / why he voted out. Apparently he doesn't like integration.

    ... and he's just mentioned how many people in Europe don't have Western values. Mmmm... dogwhistley.
    Burst into a long and loud rendition of the Muslim call to prayer, he'll like that.
  • Psychotext 13 Mar 2018 11:49:26 63,544 posts
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    I think he's on a date. lol

    He's not doing well.
  • thelzdking 13 Mar 2018 11:52:02 8,382 posts
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    Nothing like a bit of Brexiteer wisdom to woo a woman.
  • Psychotext 13 Mar 2018 11:52:51 63,544 posts
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    Lol, she's calling him on his shit and he's getting high pitched. TAXING THE RICH IS THEFT.

    Ahahahaha... The MSM is lying to us.

    Edited by Psychotext at 11:55:25 13-03-2018
  • whatfruitlivesagain 13 Mar 2018 11:54:23 1,222 posts
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    ha ha ask him what taxing the poor is then?
  • Psychotext 13 Mar 2018 11:56:07 63,544 posts
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    Her body language is amazing.
  • sport 13 Mar 2018 11:58:24 14,505 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    Her body language is amazing.
    Steady on!
  • thelzdking 13 Mar 2018 11:58:33 8,382 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    Her body language is amazing.
    Good, strong British body language I expect. Not like that of a latte-drinking metropolitan liberal.
  • thelzdking 13 Mar 2018 11:58:54 8,382 posts
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    Thought you meant him!
  • Decks Best Forumite, 2016 13 Mar 2018 12:00:35 15,272 posts
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    Sounds like 2old4dis has been on silversingles.com again.
  • DaM 13 Mar 2018 12:01:51 17,124 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    Her body language is amazing.
    Pics?
  • Psychotext 13 Mar 2018 12:03:25 63,544 posts
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    @DaM Alas, I've left. But imagine someone trying to get out of an armchair by pushing away and slidingup and over the back.
  • FWB 13 Mar 2018 12:11:54 55,074 posts
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    thelzdking wrote:
    Yeah, they taught little post-Stuart stuff when I was at school. We did 19th century social stuff at A-Level (dull-as-fuck), but very little about the Empire.

    You often hear calls from people to teach the history of the Empire. Sometimes because it's a big gap, but also from gammony people who claim that the lefty establishment has whitewashed our great history :/
    As a history teacher we cover pretty much sod all of the Empire and certainly not from a critical perspective.
  • thelzdking 13 Mar 2018 12:33:55 8,382 posts
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    FWB wrote:
    thelzdking wrote:
    Yeah, they taught little post-Stuart stuff when I was at school. We did 19th century social stuff at A-Level (dull-as-fuck), but very little about the Empire.

    You often hear calls from people to teach the history of the Empire. Sometimes because it's a big gap, but also from gammony people who claim that the lefty establishment has whitewashed our great history :/
    As a history teacher we cover pretty much sod all of the Empire and certainly not from a critical perspective.
    Nothing's changed since the '90s then. Do you have any idea why it's not taught?
  • DJCopa 13 Mar 2018 12:35:48 1,583 posts
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    That's interesting - Early 90's GCSE had India as a main topic. Really hit home how shit we were.
  • thelzdking 13 Mar 2018 12:42:52 8,382 posts
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    My late-90s GCSE was all First World War, Depression, Nazis and a bit of Cold War stuff.
  • TheSaint 13 Mar 2018 12:46:52 17,890 posts
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    Playing devil's advocate for a second considering the limited amount of time they have to teach history the empire is hardly the most interesting subject.

    I guess it is useful to show that British history is less than perfect but it is hardly alone in that regard.
  • DJCopa 13 Mar 2018 12:55:28 1,583 posts
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    thelzdking wrote:
    My late-90s GCSE was all First World War, Depression, Nazis and a bit of Cold War stuff.
    Looks like they dropped India for Cold War - Rest was the same, with a bit of Vietnam thrown in.
  • senso-ji 13 Mar 2018 13:32:20 8,819 posts
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    Yeah, for us in GCSE, we pretty much didn't study any British history that had Queen Victoria sat on the throne. It's crazy given how that time period is what attracts a lot of visitors to the UK, yet was not taught in any great length when I were a lad.
  • DamoVotf 13 Mar 2018 13:38:44 1,375 posts
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    whatfruitlivesagain wrote:
    And I dare you to find a state school which teaches the invasion of William of Orange or Cromwell's "pacification" of Ireland.
    To be fair, Norn Irish schools do teach this and from memory its relatively balanced.
  • rockavitch 13 Mar 2018 14:23:21 1,018 posts
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    My GCSE History was William Of Orange and Medicine. We didn't touch either of the world wars. Then again I went to a shit school in NI so what can you expect.
  • DaM 13 Mar 2018 14:52:58 17,124 posts
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    In Scotland we got the Scottish Wars of Independence in P5. As they still do today. It's hard to make it balanced!
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