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  • DamoVotf 4 Dec 2018 11:12:10 1,438 posts
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    Yup, thats the sad state of affairs, people sick of experts.
  • Malek86 4 Dec 2018 11:14:58 7,909 posts
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    I guess that's what happens when experts never have a lot of good news anymore.

    There's a reason if extremist parties thrive on economic downturns.
  • elstoof 4 Dec 2018 11:19:02 21,964 posts
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    KnuttinAtoll wrote:
    Just back to the A50 discussion again as something else crossed my mind...

    So let's say the UK rescinds A50, simply to play for time. There's a real danger of Brexit being dragged on forever (or certainly for a few more years). I remember Dougs' comment about the good faith bit but how can you prove a country hasn't acted in good faith. As in, the UK could swear hand on heart they want to remain (it's not like they don't have form in lying) only to call A50 in say another year or so.

    Who's to stop them do that? And what would be the consequences? I'd hazard a guess and say nobody and none, respectively, not a great prospect.
    Nothing to stop them, but no reason for the EU to bother negotiating anything either and the U.K. goes with no deal. MPs are self serving little shits but the vast majority of them privately know that no deal is suicide
  • KnuttinAtoll 4 Dec 2018 11:21:12 6,412 posts
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    DamoVotf wrote:

    Leaving the Euro makes very little economic sense, it gives you lower borrowing costs and greater demand for your debt, at the cost of not having your own currency and control of interest rates.

    Had Greece left the Euro it would have been an economic disaster, the new currency becomes worthless really fast. You cant buy medicine for your hospitals, people standards of living plummet.

    Somewhat similar to what the government is worried about for a hard brexit. But hey FREEDOM.

    Also interesting to see Salvini in Italy saying he is going to save the Euro zone. Seems a far cry from leaving.
    Not saying Greece should have left the Euro but a devalued Drachma could've boosted their exports (of, to be fair, there isn't much other than agriculture afaik) and their tourism sector (much cheaper holidays for non-Greek tourists).

    Both not worth the fallout you mentioned which is probably part of why they decided against it.

    Also leaving the Euro would've only made sense if they defaulted on their debt which is in Euros and would've been even more impossible to settle with a devalued Drachma.

    Edited by KnuttinAtoll at 11:23:14 04-12-2018
  • GoatApocalypse 4 Dec 2018 11:24:39 4,941 posts
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    @KnuttinAtoll

    Jean-Luc Mélenchon.

    The socialist party over there is no more socialist than New Labour.
  • KnuttinAtoll 4 Dec 2018 11:28:51 6,412 posts
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    Malek86 wrote:
    I guess that's what happens when experts never have a lot of good news anymore.

    There's a reason if extremist parties thrive on economic downturns.
    Yeah it's really frustrating that people fall for the lies of populists, often out of desperation.

    Those populists (both left and right) don't have solutions that work, and they're usually found out pretty quickly or will be difficult to get rid of, wreaking havoc to the country in their very own ways.

    Until they get replaced by different populists, and round it goes.
  • KnuttinAtoll 4 Dec 2018 11:31:00 6,412 posts
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    GoatApocalypse wrote:
    @KnuttinAtoll

    Jean-Luc Mélenchon.

    The socialist party over there is no more socialist than New Labour.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/18/jean-luc-melenchon-germany-putin-french-presidential-race

    I don't know what scares me more, Melenchon or Le Pen in charge. To me, they're both as bad for France, and Europe as a whole... to my point above just now.
  • Psychotext 4 Dec 2018 11:45:27 64,191 posts
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    Had to turn the radio off earlier. Radio 5 had a bunch of people calling in about Brexit and not a single one of them was pulled up on the horseshit they were spouting about EU rules / sovereignty etc.

    I can't help feeling we deserve everything that's coming to us.
  • DJCopa 4 Dec 2018 11:47:41 1,699 posts
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    @Psychotext I'm feeling the same. I listen to RTE a lot on the radio and we (UK) just come across as the biggest bunch of cnuts.

    :(
  • Psychotext 4 Dec 2018 11:59:40 64,191 posts
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    In vaguely related news. The conservatives continue to eat themselves: https://twitter.com/ZackPolanski/status/1069641587251183619
  • KnuttinAtoll 4 Dec 2018 12:00:55 6,412 posts
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    @Psychotext posted already on the last page:)

    Edit 2 pages really

    Edited by KnuttinAtoll at 12:01:30 04-12-2018
  • Not-a-reviewer 4 Dec 2018 12:08:09 5,415 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    Had to turn the radio off earlier. Radio 5 had a bunch of people calling in about Brexit and not a single one of them was pulled up on the horseshit they were spouting about EU rules / sovereignty etc.

    I can't help feeling we deserve everything that's coming to us.
    James O’Brien on LBC seems to be one of the few that do pick people up on their bullshit.

    How the others listen to it then just move to next caller is amazing. They can’t be proud of their work.
  • Psychotext 4 Dec 2018 15:17:51 64,191 posts
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    I see the conservatives are trying to bury the issue until after the vote by referring it to the Commons Privileges Committee.
  • oceanmotion 4 Dec 2018 15:56:17 17,333 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    Had to turn the radio off earlier. Radio 5 had a bunch of people calling in about Brexit and not a single one of them was pulled up on the horseshit they were spouting about EU rules / sovereignty etc.

    I can't help feeling we deserve everything that's coming to us.
    I think half the reason they don't pull anyone up on lies is because they haven't bothered to research it themselves and can't argue the point. People generally don't know much about the EU or what it does for the UK, maybe for some people slightly more than two years ago but overall they don't care to and sometimes when you get the odd informed person they get cut off on TV or the idiots get the last point unchallenged setting the tone.

    We are pretty fucked. I'll be amazed and glad if we somehow end up remaining after all of this.
  • Psychotext 4 Dec 2018 16:48:27 64,191 posts
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    Good stuff...

    MPs reject call to refer Brexit dispute to committee

    Motion of Contempt

    The government’s amendment calling for the dispute over Brexit legal advice to be referred to the Commons Privileges Committee has been narrowly rejected by 311 votes to 307.
  • Nexus_6 4 Dec 2018 16:55:35 4,077 posts
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    Its like watching penalties at the world cup this
  • Psychotext 4 Dec 2018 17:04:46 64,191 posts
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    Found in contempt of parliament. I wonder how they'll try and hide the truth now. Maybe lose a page here or there.
  • Frogofdoom 4 Dec 2018 17:11:58 10,948 posts
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    You are probably right, they will let Larry the cat shit on the bad bits first.

    There should be punishment that goes with it regardless of them saying they will publish them.

    Edited by Frogofdoom at 17:12:49 04-12-2018
  • X201 4 Dec 2018 17:13:20 18,747 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    Found in contempt of parliament. I wonder how they'll try and hide the truth now. Maybe lose a page here or there.
    "This file contains the complete set of papers, except for a number of secret documents, a few others which are part of still active files, some correspondence lost in the floods of 1967..."
  • TheSaint 4 Dec 2018 17:13:27 18,152 posts
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    They’ll just release it with every other word redacted.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 4 Dec 2018 17:15:43 8,442 posts
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    Delete all the spaces and punctuation and publish it as a single unbroken stream of letters
  • fontgeeksogood 4 Dec 2018 17:17:37 3,748 posts
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    I'm caught in a rictus between knowing how inept the UK government is and the bizarre hope that actually it's all a Machiavellian plan to find someone or thing strong enough to fall on a sword which means they don't have to deliver the undeliverable Brexit which they appear to have promised nobody
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 4 Dec 2018 17:48:24 8,442 posts
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    As much as their Brexit would have been a fucking disaster I think May did the right thing in trying to keep Boris et al as close to the blame as she could for as long as she could.

    They're so obviously going to try and ride in as white knights claiming to save the day but it's all their fault and people need to key reminded of that.

    Edited by simpleexplodingmaybe at 17:48:53 04-12-2018
  • H1ggyLTD 4 Dec 2018 17:58:16 10,908 posts
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    scenes
  • fontgeeksogood 4 Dec 2018 18:11:11 3,748 posts
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    It's odd that there doesn't seem to be clear governmental consensus on this binary public referendum outcome which ended very evenly split
  • elstoof 4 Dec 2018 20:10:03 21,964 posts
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    Complete and utter scenes in Parliament
  • H1ggyLTD 4 Dec 2018 20:15:28 10,908 posts
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    Mad.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 4 Dec 2018 20:20:13 8,442 posts
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    Pineapple rings and a fried egg on top

    "And four Labour MPs voted against the Grieve amendment: Ronnie Campbell, Kate Hoey, Dennis Skinner and Graham Stringer."
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 4 Dec 2018 20:20:46 8,442 posts
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    May is going to be a total zombie after tonight
  • challenge_hanukkah 4 Dec 2018 20:41:02 8,846 posts
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    I fucking hate Stringer. He's such a cunt.
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