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  • JamboWayOh 6 Dec 2018 22:05:33 10,252 posts
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    GoatApocalypse wrote:
    The second part of your statement doesn't correlate with the first there pal.
    That's definitely the issue here. Christ.
  • Youthist 6 Dec 2018 22:16:34 13,518 posts
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    Is Goat transcending all our collective intelligences again?
  • GoatApocalypse 6 Dec 2018 22:17:59 4,920 posts
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    I dunno what to say.

    It's hard sometimes to discuss things seriously
    here when one tries to make points that are dismissed out of hand.

    I know I've hardly helped my own cause on that score but i don't particularly want to stop engaging, unless y'all would prefer I did.
  • KnuttinAtoll 6 Dec 2018 22:21:36 6,405 posts
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    GoatApocalypse wrote:
    I'll be the first to admit that the EU is extremely unlikely to accept entry into the single market without the acceptance of all four freedoms.

    But it's possible. And ultimately, free movement of capital is far more important.

    So who knows. We don't know what Corbyn has discussed with EU leaders when they've met; I find it hard to imagine he'd say this knowing it's impossible. It's a fucking suicide gamble if he's bullshitting.

    But i hold him in much higher esteem than most of you guys, and maybe he is bullshitting.


    /facepalm
  • GoatApocalypse 6 Dec 2018 22:23:41 4,920 posts
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    Is the principal objection that it's impossible, or that Corbyn can't pull it off?
  • Dougs 6 Dec 2018 22:24:51 87,358 posts
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    TheSaint wrote:
    Europe has zero reason to agree to the customs union itís just more cake and eat it nonsense.
    Certainly how it seems to me. The only way the deal can be improved is if the red lines move. I can't see how else it'll work.
  • Sideshow 6 Dec 2018 22:26:01 23 posts
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    @GoatApocalypse Itís impossible
  • FWB 6 Dec 2018 22:26:13 55,265 posts
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    It's not possible. To think so is to not understand the very foundation of the EU; hence why our government is so idiotic.

    Edited by FWB at 22:26:28 06-12-2018
  • KnuttinAtoll 6 Dec 2018 22:26:33 6,405 posts
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    And no, free movement of capital is NOT more important, that's exactly the point. The 4 freedoms mean that if goods can move freely, so should services, capital would have to as a result, and of course that then also means FoM for people. Leaving people out wouldn't be fair to the actual people, of Europe. Barnier made this point several times but nobody seems be paying attention over there.
  • JamboWayOh 6 Dec 2018 22:32:20 10,252 posts
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    GoatApocalypse wrote:
    Is the principal objection that it's impossible, or that Corbyn can't pull it off?
    It's more that the EU has continually told us what the boundaries are and we've been sent back to remedial class everytime we've asked the same dumbass questions. Corbyn is asking the same dumbass questions but phrasing it like he's unlocked the meaning of life through his 2 year game of 4D chess.
  • GoatApocalypse 6 Dec 2018 22:32:28 4,920 posts
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    TheSaint wrote:
    Europe has zero reason to agree to the customs union itís just more cake and eat it nonsense.
    There was a Belgian MEP on Radio 5, of all places, who seemed to have a slightly different spin on it.
  • GoatApocalypse 6 Dec 2018 22:35:50 4,920 posts
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    @KnuttinAtoll

    The EU is a capitalist institution. It has no interest in fairness. It facilitates free movement of people because that's to capital's advantage. The moment capital is threatened, everything else is fair game. And my guess is that the EU will compromise on the free movement of people of other freedoms are guaranteed, and the deal is right.

    But it's just a guess.
  • Frogofdoom 6 Dec 2018 22:36:59 10,931 posts
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    I have just seen a tweet asking Arlene Foster to take over from May.

    I'm pretty sure we need to split the country in 2 and go out separate ways. There is no way to fix the level of stupid in some people so just let them go back to living in caves and get on with our lives.
  • fontgeeksogood 6 Dec 2018 22:37:55 3,715 posts
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    I wonder if Corbyn gets a seat on the Eurotunnel
  • Frogofdoom 6 Dec 2018 22:39:37 10,931 posts
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    There are loads of seats but he stands for photo opportunities.
  • JamboWayOh 6 Dec 2018 22:40:35 10,252 posts
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    Frogofdoom wrote:
    I have just seen a tweet asking Arlene Foster to take over from May.

    I'm pretty sure we need to split the country in 2 and go out separate ways. There is no way to fix the level of stupid in some people so just let them go back to living in caves and get on with our lives.
    If they had their way, life in Britain would be an infinite episode of Last of the Summer Wine.
  • FWB 6 Dec 2018 22:41:02 55,265 posts
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    GoatApocalypse wrote:
    @KnuttinAtoll

    The EU is a capitalist institution. It has no interest in fairness. It facilitates free movement of people because that's to capital's advantage. The moment capital is threatened, everything else is fair game. And my guess is that the EU will compromise on the free movement of people of other freedoms are guaranteed, and the deal is right.

    But it's just a guess.
    Yep. You definitely don't get what the EU means/is to the rest of the continent. No wonder we're in this mess.

    They won't. Ever.

    Edited by FWB at 22:42:06 06-12-2018
  • GoatApocalypse 6 Dec 2018 22:44:55 4,920 posts
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    We'll see.

    We won't be in the EU, after all.
  • thelzdking 6 Dec 2018 22:46:03 8,699 posts
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    Reach up to the Sun, Jezza, your wings shall not burn.
  • fontgeeksogood 6 Dec 2018 22:49:05 3,715 posts
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    His waxy tweed wings with leather elbow patches
  • KnuttinAtoll 6 Dec 2018 22:50:28 6,405 posts
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    GoatApocalypse wrote:
    @KnuttinAtoll

    The EU is a capitalist institution. It has no interest in fairness. It facilitates free movement of people because that's to capital's advantage. The moment capital is threatened, everything else is fair game. And my guess is that the EU will compromise on the free movement of people of other freedoms are guaranteed, and the deal is right.

    But it's just a guess.
    I really suggest you stop guessing and do some reading up on the EU. Seriously.
  • FWB 6 Dec 2018 22:53:37 55,265 posts
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    I do like my MP, Rupa Huq. No matter what her idiotic leader says she keeps ploughing away fighting the cause for remaining still. One of the few to constantly defy his whip on votes too.
  • GoatApocalypse 6 Dec 2018 22:54:21 4,920 posts
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    I studied EU law as part of a law degree. Laws are negotiable.
  • GoatApocalypse 6 Dec 2018 22:57:09 4,920 posts
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    Again, the UK negotiated an opt out of the Schengen agreement. It's possible - possible - that a further caveat on free movement can be negotiated.

    Edited by GoatApocalypse at 22:57:28 06-12-2018
  • FWB 6 Dec 2018 22:58:33 55,265 posts
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    No, it isn't. It really, really isn't if you want single market access. It'd be the end of the EU.

    Schengen is not one of the four principles.

    Edited by FWB at 23:01:33 06-12-2018
  • Psychotext 6 Dec 2018 23:00:50 64,158 posts
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    Sure, if they want to undermine the four freedoms.

    What possible reason would they have to do that? They don't even lose that much in a full on hard brexit, let alone the BINO deal May has agreed.
  • FWB 6 Dec 2018 23:03:10 55,265 posts
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    We've been having this conversation for several years now; naye decades. And it just doesn't matter to some in the UK... they will never get it, because they don't understand what the EU is. Never have.

    In many ways it is perhaps best the UK leaves.
  • GoatApocalypse 6 Dec 2018 23:04:10 4,920 posts
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    Schengen facilitates the free movement of people. Not being in the Schengen Area caveats the free movement of people. It's possible to install further caveats if they can be negotiated.

    We might agree that such an agreement is unlikely; but it is possible.
  • FWB 6 Dec 2018 23:05:04 55,265 posts
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    It helps smooth freedom of movement, but it is not central nor required for it. Again, I don't think you understand how it works.

    So unlikely that I wouldn't even consider it a realistic possibility.

    Edited by FWB at 23:06:24 06-12-2018
  • KnuttinAtoll 6 Dec 2018 23:05:16 6,405 posts
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    GoatApocalypse wrote:
    I studied EU law as part of a law degree. Laws are negotiable.
    Only where there's a willingness to do so.

    And I'm telling you, FoM isn't even remotely as hot a topic as it is in the UK. Most people quite value it (and Schengen also) myself included obvs.
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