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  • DamoVotf 9 Jan 2019 21:27:19 1,443 posts
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    Just finished watching Channel 4's Brexit: An Uncivil War.

    Really good program and really highlighted, how they won and why it is devisive.

    I still firmly believe we need an advertising standard agency for both newspapers and politicans. And newspapers should have tyo retract in the same font on the same page.

    Edited by DamoVotf at 21:28:04 09-01-2019
  • FWB 9 Jan 2019 21:54:08 55,908 posts
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    Hahaha. Nice one. The party in power is never, ever, ever, ever, ever ever going to do that. Those cancers are key to getting them in.
  • KnuttinAtoll 9 Jan 2019 22:05:05 7,134 posts
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    Rodney wrote:
    I don't really get this bill, May has three days to present an alternative deal if she loses the vote on her deal - but then what?

    If she fails to do so or if plan b is still a shit sand which, isn't the UK still heading towards a no deal brexit by default unless an alternative deal can find majority support in parliament?

    This seems better than nothing, and maybe takes a bit of pressure off MPs to support May's deal out of fear of the alternative, but I'm not sure how the situation/dilema has really changed
    Plan B:

  • simpleexplodingmaybe 9 Jan 2019 22:12:26 10,242 posts
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  • Jono62 10 Jan 2019 07:05:39 22,203 posts
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    I see the Mail and Express love Bercow this morning

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/1151E/production/_105124907_mail10.jpg

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/12144/production/_105125047_ex10.jpg

    Oh, and that other shitrag

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/7CC6/production/_105124913_sun10.jpg
  • RichDC 10 Jan 2019 07:13:10 8,302 posts
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    Its glorious. Its turnabout 'we want parliament to have more control' really just means 'we in charge want no one to be able to oppose us'. Who'd have thought?
  • RichDC 10 Jan 2019 07:17:09 8,302 posts
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    Though the mail was carrying a rather worrying story about May's ability to call an election for the start of April which would effectively shut down parliament until after March 29th meaning the UK would leave with no deal and there's nothing that could be done to oppose it. MPs are apparently considering it as 'the nuclear option'.
  • Rodney 10 Jan 2019 07:26:45 3,862 posts
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    No deal and a caretaker government focused on campaigning. What could go wrong?
  • RighteousPickle 10 Jan 2019 08:48:31 105 posts
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    I kind of got bored of it and stopped following. Does May really want a no deal now?
  • Mr_Sleep 10 Jan 2019 08:51:08 22,571 posts
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    I am waiting for some nutter to decide that Alex Kapranos should get a grenade in his car to return to when Britain was great.
  • TheSaint 10 Jan 2019 08:55:11 18,574 posts
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    RichDC wrote:
    Though the mail was carrying a rather worrying story about May's ability to call an election for the start of April which would effectively shut down parliament until after March 29th meaning the UK would leave with no deal and there's nothing that could be done to oppose it. MPs are apparently considering it as 'the nuclear option'.
    I'm fairly sure parliament would have to vote for the election so they would have some way to block it.
  • Dougs 10 Jan 2019 09:31:32 89,138 posts
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    That does put Labour in a tricky position though. They want a GE but will be aware to do it in a no deal scenario would be highly irresponsible.
  • FWB 10 Jan 2019 10:06:56 55,908 posts
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    Will suit Corbyn fine.
  • Dougs 10 Jan 2019 10:13:53 89,138 posts
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    But don't forget their amendment to the FInance Bill means Govt can't just spend what they want in a no deal scenario without Parliament's approval....could be tricky to do if they don't get a majority (which they won't).
  • brokenkey 10 Jan 2019 10:20:04 10,234 posts
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    RighteousPickle wrote:
    I kind of got bored of it and stopped following. Does May really want a no deal now?
    May wants to leave regardless of the cost. The amendment limiting how much the government can spend of no-deal preparations seems to have lost sight of this.
  • FWB 10 Jan 2019 10:35:57 55,908 posts
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    Dougs wrote:
    But don't forget their amendment to the FInance Bill means Govt can't just spend what they want in a no deal scenario without Parliament's approval....could be tricky to do if they don't get a majority (which they won't).
    A) Tories don't like spending anyway... certainly not as much a Corbyn wants to and B) the country will be so desperate that pretty much anything will get passed budget wise. Anyone blocking it would get politically murdered. What it does do is perhaps encourage others to stand up to her atm.

    If no-deal is May's only option, she will go for it. She is too pig-headed and narrow minded. She's never cared what happens outside of immigration; doesn't, nor wants to, understand the economy and how it is important to people's lives.

    Brace yourselves. Said it 18months or so ago that no-deal was what was going to happen, and still think that's the more likely option.

    Edited by FWB at 10:42:59 10-01-2019
  • Dougs 10 Jan 2019 10:38:17 89,138 posts
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    I meant if Labour are returned (sorry, should have been clear) in a post no-deal Brexit world. That Finance Bill will still be on the statute and the Conservatives resistance to spending may have an impact on what Labour can do....
  • FWB 10 Jan 2019 10:41:48 55,908 posts
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    Ahh. Well firstly there isn't going to be Labour government with its current positioning in Brexit. It will get blamed for it too, just as the LDs did. But also, I don't think May will call an election. Party first and she doesn't need to to ensure a no-deal. If she just sits in nr 10 playing with herself, that's what happens on 1st April. There is nothing that parliament can do. All of those who voted to let her initiate A50 (without any plan) are responsible.

    Edited by FWB at 10:42:26 10-01-2019
  • Dougs 10 Jan 2019 10:51:35 89,138 posts
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    Oh I agree it's unlikely. I wouldn't be surprised if they pivot to 2nd ref if a GE becomes likely though, which may sway things.
  • disusedgenius 10 Jan 2019 10:53:30 9,785 posts
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    I'm sure they'll pivot on the 28th March just so they can say they did it so it's not their fault.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 10 Jan 2019 11:04:27 10,242 posts
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    I know it didn't affect them as badly as expected last time but could an election this year see a return of Labours 0% strategy problem?
  • glaeken 10 Jan 2019 13:07:51 12,026 posts
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    I can't really see what would happen in a general election at the moment. No party has exactly covered themselves in glory recently. The true believers will vote as they always do but I think most people would be pretty apathetic about the whole thing.
  • Dougs 10 Jan 2019 13:15:33 89,138 posts
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    Nothing new in Corbyn's speech then. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/10/corbyn-says-labour-may-need-to-delay-brexit-if-it-wins-snap-election
  • X201 10 Jan 2019 14:09:41 19,211 posts
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    What party in it's right mind would want to win an election now?
    You're going to get tagged with the blame for every little thing that goes wrong with Brexit, if it happens, or as the party that denied Brexit if it doesn't happen.
  • glaeken 10 Jan 2019 14:16:55 12,026 posts
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    Indeed. It's why May is still leader of the Tory party. No-one wants the job. Everyone wants to let them take this clusterfuck through to completion so it can forever be blamed on them.
  • Jono62 10 Jan 2019 14:33:27 22,203 posts
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    All these leave heroes don't want to be the person in charge to bring Brexit forward is very telling. It's easy to promise rainbows and unicorns when you don't have to implement it yourself.
  • Armoured_Bear 10 Jan 2019 15:43:43 26,695 posts
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    http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/01/09/parliament-is-now-at-war-with-government-and-it-s-winning
  • Jono62 10 Jan 2019 17:21:53 22,203 posts
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    Interesting

    https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1083290033082249217?s=19
  • Jono62 10 Jan 2019 17:49:52 22,203 posts
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    https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/what-sort-of-remain-traitor-are-you-20190110181192
  • Psychotext 10 Jan 2019 19:22:39 64,971 posts
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    What interesting times we live in.
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