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  • sport 7 Jul 2019 15:49:21 15,060 posts
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    I actually applaud his courage for standing up for his values. I mean, you can't even BE English these days without getting locked up.
  • Dougs 8 Jul 2019 19:16:24 89,581 posts
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    Another godawful fudge from Labour. What a mess.
  • Salaman 12 Jul 2019 09:20:39 23,638 posts
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    frightlever wrote:
    I get that some UK citizens want to have free travel and the right to work within the EU but I fail to see how that explicitly benefits Britain economically.
    Economic immigrants often send a large chunk of the money they earn abroad back to their struggling relatives back home.
    :-P
  • Dougs 12 Jul 2019 09:28:41 89,581 posts
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    :D
  • grey_matters 12 Jul 2019 09:46:15 4,717 posts
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    Hah
  • RGeefe 12 Jul 2019 10:27:35 342 posts
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    Now becoming slightly optimistic/ poss deluded that Johnson on verge of PM and promising Brexit by 31st Oct - which is nigh on undeliverable - might mean he himself flips.

    Or at least he falls on a sword and this goes away for a bit.
  • Dougs 12 Jul 2019 10:30:43 89,581 posts
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    https://news.sky.com/story/if-greg-clark-is-right-about-brexit-the-tories-could-face-electoral-oblivion-11761422
  • senso-ji 12 Jul 2019 10:57:00 9,574 posts
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    The more Francois speaks, the more I wish he gets run over by a Bus.
  • Technoishmatt 12 Jul 2019 11:02:26 3,437 posts
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    Heard an outgoing cabinet minister talk earlier this week saying that (after a bit of recovery and DIY) he would going back to the back benches, where he would part of the government, noting that this had a majority of 3 MPs and he was one of them :)
  • challenge_hanukkah 15 Jul 2019 12:28:13 10,886 posts
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    I'm not sure what I've just watched.

    https://twitter.com/grahamlithgow/status/1150722536193310720?s=19
  • JamboWayOh 15 Jul 2019 12:43:18 13,566 posts
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    challenge_hanukkah wrote:
    I'm not sure what I've just watched.

    https://twitter.com/grahamlithgow/status/1150722536193310720?s=19
    A former pop star who has been recently ressurected from the grave is all I can see here.
  • KnuttinAtoll 15 Jul 2019 12:51:24 7,224 posts
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    Given the Orange thread is about hoverboards now, I'll leave this here:

    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1150728681557516288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
  • JamboWayOh 15 Jul 2019 12:59:02 13,566 posts
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    KnuttinAtoll wrote:
    Given the Orange thread is about hoverboards now, I'll leave this here:

    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1150728681557516288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
    I went down the rabbit hole of some of those accounts agreeing with Trump. Eurgh. Also maybe Zahawi can find a spine in the Amazon Prime Day.
  • KnuttinAtoll 15 Jul 2019 13:04:09 7,224 posts
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    I can't fathom what he would consider racist though.
  • TechnoHippy 15 Jul 2019 13:06:44 15,142 posts
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    Thankfully we didn't need Europe to win the cricket world cup: https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-roundly-slated-for-making-englands-world-cup-win-about-brexit/
  • JamboWayOh 15 Jul 2019 13:06:53 13,566 posts
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    Here's a video of it. Essentially he won't say racist because he wants that trade deal and is cut from the same cloth of BoJo.

    https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1150733378649354240

    Hilariously he says that Trump doesn't interfere British politics.
  • senso-ji 15 Jul 2019 13:14:27 9,574 posts
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    As much as I detest Zahawi and MPs' spineless reactions to Trump, he has a point, especially after what happened to Kim Darroch. Trump has shown that he'll act completely brazenly if he's upset, and you don't want to keep aggravating him, especially if you are dependent on him signing a decent free trade deal post Halloween.*

    * Yes, I know, the USA will completely fuck us post Brexit anyway...
  • DJCopa 15 Jul 2019 13:15:34 1,958 posts
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    @JamboWayOh This is what I do not understand - MPs will say anything to appease what Trump says, to try and get a trade deal.

    However, they will call MEPs and EU institutions all the names under the sun to leave on No Deal, but will then have to work on a deal later on - we can't go on forever with No Deal.
  • Psychotext 15 Jul 2019 13:57:57 65,132 posts
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    It's probably easier if you remember that they're all cunts.
  • JamboWayOh 15 Jul 2019 14:03:50 13,566 posts
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    @DJCopa

    Because itís all about the Ďspecial relationshipí and Britainís obsession with it and how in its addled mind itís been a balanced partnership and not the reality of America saying jump and we say how high. Itís the very definition of an abusive relationship and now that weíre leaving we need to stick with the school bully to feel safe by keep on doing his homework and laughing at his jokes.
  • DJCopa 15 Jul 2019 14:25:22 1,958 posts
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    I think alot of our MPs (not all, mind) are thick (or at very least completely disingenuous with the truth) - Brexit has really highlighted that a lot of MPs who could once get away talking bollocks, now have an electorate who seem to know more about how WTO, etc. works (or at aleast have been emboldened to read up on it all).
  • JamboWayOh 15 Jul 2019 14:33:06 13,566 posts
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    DJCopa wrote:
    I think alot of our MPs (not all, mind) are thick (or at very least completely disingenuous with the truth) - Brexit has really highlighted that a lot of MPs who could once get away talking bollocks, now have an electorate who seem to know more about how WTO, etc. works (or at aleast have been emboldened to read up on it all).
    I think they still get away with talking a load of bollocks as well as bare faced lying. I think because we read up on GATT and whatnot wondering why these cunts still continue, we forget that a majority of people are either too busy with their lives, can't be arsed or like being told what to do by their betters. From my own personal experience especially working in government the perception don't give a shit as long as they've got their big TV, ipad and Strictly on the telly.

    Edited by JamboWayOh at 14:42:41 15-07-2019
  • DJCopa 15 Jul 2019 14:40:30 1,958 posts
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    @JamboWayOh Without a doubt - say something (anything) with enough confidence, then move on regardless.

    Soundbites for a busy, need it now, electorate...
  • JamboWayOh 15 Jul 2019 14:46:15 13,566 posts
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    It has been interesting to hear from even habitual liars like Liam Fox admitting that Johnson's claim to get a quick solo sector trade deal with the USA by October is pure fabrication. However it's also telling that he admits this because he supports Hunt and it's politically expedient to attack Johnson. Nothing to do with informing the public at all.
  • DJCopa 15 Jul 2019 14:51:25 1,958 posts
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    ...and that is it in a nutshell - form a position based on how far it will take my career/not damage my party.

    A chap on Twitter (retired WTO - can't remember his name, Peter something) has said even the Andrew Neil interview where they chatted about Paragraph 5b + 5c was inaccurate from both sides - so many fine details to all this, that is trying to be solved with ridiculous soundbites/one-upmanship.

    Really could do with some proper experts at the wheel now, but fear they are all long gone.
  • TechnoHippy 15 Jul 2019 15:23:45 15,142 posts
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    When and what was the last big trade deal we signed before and since joining the EU?
  • DJCopa 15 Jul 2019 15:44:15 1,958 posts
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    TechnoHippy wrote:
    When and what was the last big trade deal we signed before and since joining the EU?
    Ones in motion or just signed off here: http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2006/december/tradoc_118238.pdf

    Japan probably the biggest, most recent one.
  • TechnoHippy 15 Jul 2019 16:11:43 15,142 posts
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    @DJCopa Thanks, although that was with the EU. My original question wasn't worded clearly enough - my assumption is that it's been decades since we last worked a big trade deal and probably lack some of the institutional knowledge that we had before joining the EU.
  • DJCopa 15 Jul 2019 16:24:08 1,958 posts
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    @TechnoHippy Not in disagreement with that at all - No idea on trade deals before joining EU - so long now, probably with countries that no longer exist.
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