JamboWayOh wrote:It will be really interesting to see what happens with the Irish border. The obvious solution would be to keep it open, but then again that leaves it free for anyone to enter the UK from the EU with no checks, which will really piss the Brexiteers off. But installing a border to 'keep our borders safe' would break the Good Friday agreement, pissing off our American friends who we are apparently depending on for a super trade deal. And there is the issue of who will pay for it- the UK or EU (I doubt Boris and friends would want to foot the bill). Edited by senso-ji at 15:34:05 07-08-2019 |
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senso-ji 9,943 posts
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elstoof 24,519 posts
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Registered 14 years agoWe cannot leave it open as we would be in breach of WTO rules about being able to control our borders. There literally must be an agreement in place, or have a hard border - which we can’t because of the GFA. Anything else is merely posturing
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Registered 6 years agoHmmm well we can't blame the EU for the open border...can we blame the WTO? I mean we have to blame someone for all the issues we have -
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Registered 12 years agoI have this horrible feeling that the Brexiteers will demand we withdraw from WTO when the reality of trading in it starts to bite... -
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Registered 11 years agoWhile many of us will readily remember the endless news coverage of trouble in Northern Ireland back in the day, most people don't really have a real grasp of the issues and causes. Is it any wonder that Brexiteers over here consider the Irish border to be a minor inconvenience to Brexit that should just be disregarded.
Its a very real issue that will affect alot of people. And a lot of British people no less.
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Registered 12 years agoJamboWayOh wrote:
More likely we'll blame the WTO for forcing us to close it.
Hmmm well we can't blame the EU for the open border...can we blame the WTO? I mean we have to blame someone for all the issues we have -
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Registered 13 years ago@elstoof Exactly this - EU can't have an open border, as will pollute their food chain if we get a deal with the US on food etc.
Just one example, but so many layers and comes full circle to not triggering A50 until they had a plan of what it actually entailed.
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Registered 6 years agocowell wrote:
Where have you been, England IS Great Britain, we only acknowledge the other countries existence when we've got a sporting event to take part or need something signed.
While many of us will readily remember the endless news coverage of trouble in Northern Ireland back in the day, most people don't really have a real grasp of the issues and causes. Is it any wonder that Brexiteers over here consider the Irish border to be a minor inconvenience to Brexit that should just be disregarded.
Its a very real issue that will affect alot of people. And a lot of British people no less.
These little Englanders really don't care about Great Britain. -
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Registered 11 years agoJamboWayOh wrote:
Painfully true
cowell wrote:
Where have you been, England IS Great Britain, we only acknowledge the other countries existence when we've got a sporting event to take part or need something signed.
While many of us will readily remember the endless news coverage of trouble in Northern Ireland back in the day, most people don't really have a real grasp of the issues and causes. Is it any wonder that Brexiteers over here consider the Irish border to be a minor inconvenience to Brexit that should just be disregarded.
Its a very real issue that will affect alot of people. And a lot of British people no less.
These little Englanders really don't care about Great Britain. -
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Registered 13 years agocowell wrote:
It's ridiculous. Still yet to hear any explanation of what me driving 30 mins north from my hometown will look like in November. Border poll coming in the next couple of years me thinks.
While many of us will readily remember the endless news coverage of trouble in Northern Ireland back in the day, most people don't really have a real grasp of the issues and causes. Is it any wonder that Brexiteers over here consider the Irish border to be a minor inconvenience to Brexit that should just be disregarded.
Its a very real issue that will affect alot of people. And a lot of British people no less.
These little Englanders really don't care about Great Britain. -
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Registered 6 years agoFWB wrote:
Says it all for me really.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/08/06/long-read-its-the-english-stupid/?fbclid=IwAR20P2J3DAAH2QDPV8jpJfQ4bbQUfILlWp2v-C9Icy9qwJuebyOI_n-Iz7o -
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Registered 11 years agoThis morning on BBC breakfast they had some business gammon going on this crazy rant about "Brussels should stop the bullying and negotiate" waffle waffle.
Not even a hint of a challenge from the presenter.
I shall be putting BBC in the same box as RT. State propaganda.
Although to be fair I watched Maitlis on Newsnight last night trying her best but it was like punching jelly.
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Registered 17 years agoThat gammon was Lord Digby-Jones, amazingly enough once in charge of the CBI -
Aaaaand I would do anything to prevent No Deal
But I won't do that*
* allow Jeremy Corbyn to preside over a Government of National Unity
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Registered 12 years agoIt's almost like no one trusts the cunt.
But insisting on being the leader of a Unity government seems very short sighted on Labour's part anyway. The point is that it's a government of Unity, not a vehicle for the opposition to take over. -
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Registered 18 years agoJC is a Brexiteer. I wouldn't have him as a leader if I was trying to stop it. -
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Registered 18 years agodisusedgenius wrote:
And this.
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Then why won't they work with him to achieve stated mutual goals?
But insisting on being the leader of a Unity government seems very short sighted on Labour's part anyway. The point is that it's a government of Unity, not a vehicle for the opposition to take over. -
One has to admire the grift of getting horny dads to pay for your trip around Europe
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Registered 18 years agoBecause he wants to leave the EU and they don't. It's not hard to figure out.
He's also a lying sack of anti-Semitic shit.
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Registered 6 years agoGoatApocalypse wrote:
Not sure where you got that assumption from tbh. You could assume she's doing that or maybe she actually gives a shit about being in Europe and this is her way. I mean she actually stands for something which is a great deal more than a bunch of politicians have been doing lately.
One has to admire the grift of getting horny dads to pay for your trip around Europe
https://twitter.com/MadeleinaKay/status/1157579504472211456?s=09
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FWB 56,224 posts
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Registered 18 years agoCos they don't need to put him in as leader to stop no-deal - anyone can do that. They also aren't convinced he's for a second referendum and that once he's in he'll go for his Brexit, ignoring a public vote. Grieve looks a much better short term option than him, if you want to halt this madness. -
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Registered 6 years agoHe's right, she's a total grifter and a complete arse.
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Registered 6 years agochallenge_hanukkah wrote:
Really, I haven't seen that. I stand corrected if so.
He's right, she's a total grifter and a complete arse.
She was pictured not long ago laughing as she was clambering up a holocaust memorial. -
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Registered 18 years agoAlso, JC and his cult unifying the government? Hahaha.
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FWB wrote:
Is it not the case that to prevent leaving on 31 October, they need to win a vote of no confidence and then it's LOTO who's invited to form a Government?
Cos they don't need to put him in as leader to stop no-deal - anyone can do that. They also aren't convinced he's for a second referendum and that once he's in he'll go for his Brexit, ignoring a public vote. Grieve looks a much better short term option than him, if you want to halt this madness.
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