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  • senso-ji 7 Aug 2019 15:32:36 9,943 posts
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    JamboWayOh wrote:
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/07/northern-ireland-hard-border-brexit-customs

    An interesting piece that I doubt 99.9% of Brexiteers even give a fuck about. A great point is also about a group of people who are obsessed with borders not giving a shit about them when it becomes an inconvenient issue.
    It will be really interesting to see what happens with the Irish border.

    The obvious solution would be to keep it open, but then again that leaves it free for anyone to enter the UK from the EU with no checks, which will really piss the Brexiteers off.

    But installing a border to 'keep our borders safe' would break the Good Friday agreement, pissing off our American friends who we are apparently depending on for a super trade deal. And there is the issue of who will pay for it- the UK or EU (I doubt Boris and friends would want to foot the bill).

    Edited by senso-ji at 15:34:05 07-08-2019
  • elstoof 7 Aug 2019 15:35:43 24,519 posts
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    We cannot leave it open as we would be in breach of WTO rules about being able to control our borders. There literally must be an agreement in place, or have a hard border - which we canít because of the GFA. Anything else is merely posturing

    Edited by elstoof at 15:37:50 07-08-2019
  • JamboWayOh 7 Aug 2019 15:39:05 15,983 posts
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    Hmmm well we can't blame the EU for the open border...can we blame the WTO? I mean we have to blame someone for all the issues we have
  • senso-ji 7 Aug 2019 15:39:36 9,943 posts
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    I have this horrible feeling that the Brexiteers will demand we withdraw from WTO when the reality of trading in it starts to bite...
  • cowell 7 Aug 2019 15:40:07 2,053 posts
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    While many of us will readily remember the endless news coverage of trouble in Northern Ireland back in the day, most people don't really have a real grasp of the issues and causes. Is it any wonder that Brexiteers over here consider the Irish border to be a minor inconvenience to Brexit that should just be disregarded.

    Its a very real issue that will affect alot of people. And a lot of British people no less.

    These little Englanders really don't care about Great Britain.
  • disusedgenius 7 Aug 2019 15:41:15 10,224 posts
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    JamboWayOh wrote:
    Hmmm well we can't blame the EU for the open border...can we blame the WTO? I mean we have to blame someone for all the issues we have
    More likely we'll blame the WTO for forcing us to close it.
  • DJCopa 7 Aug 2019 15:41:57 2,034 posts
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    @elstoof Exactly this - EU can't have an open border, as will pollute their food chain if we get a deal with the US on food etc.

    Just one example, but so many layers and comes full circle to not triggering A50 until they had a plan of what it actually entailed.

    Plus, we will still need a deal at some point - you're right on posturing, something has to give at our end at some point - now or in the future.
  • JamboWayOh 7 Aug 2019 15:45:03 15,983 posts
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    cowell wrote:
    While many of us will readily remember the endless news coverage of trouble in Northern Ireland back in the day, most people don't really have a real grasp of the issues and causes. Is it any wonder that Brexiteers over here consider the Irish border to be a minor inconvenience to Brexit that should just be disregarded.

    Its a very real issue that will affect alot of people. And a lot of British people no less.

    These little Englanders really don't care about Great Britain.
    Where have you been, England IS Great Britain, we only acknowledge the other countries existence when we've got a sporting event to take part or need something signed.
  • cowell 7 Aug 2019 15:46:37 2,053 posts
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    JamboWayOh wrote:
    cowell wrote:
    While many of us will readily remember the endless news coverage of trouble in Northern Ireland back in the day, most people don't really have a real grasp of the issues and causes. Is it any wonder that Brexiteers over here consider the Irish border to be a minor inconvenience to Brexit that should just be disregarded.

    Its a very real issue that will affect alot of people. And a lot of British people no less.

    These little Englanders really don't care about Great Britain.
    Where have you been, England IS Great Britain, we only acknowledge the other countries existence when we've got a sporting event to take part or need something signed.
    Painfully true
  • FWB 7 Aug 2019 17:06:07 56,224 posts
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    https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/08/06/long-read-its-the-english-stupid/?fbclid=IwAR20P2J3DAAH2QDPV8jpJfQ4bbQUfILlWp2v-C9Icy9qwJuebyOI_n-Iz7o
  • Armoured_Bear 7 Aug 2019 17:11:52 27,592 posts
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    https://twitter.com/garydunion/status/1159077763019616256?s=21
  • reddevil93 7 Aug 2019 17:13:43 15,120 posts
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    cowell wrote:
    While many of us will readily remember the endless news coverage of trouble in Northern Ireland back in the day, most people don't really have a real grasp of the issues and causes. Is it any wonder that Brexiteers over here consider the Irish border to be a minor inconvenience to Brexit that should just be disregarded.

    Its a very real issue that will affect alot of people. And a lot of British people no less.

    These little Englanders really don't care about Great Britain.
    It's ridiculous. Still yet to hear any explanation of what me driving 30 mins north from my hometown will look like in November. Border poll coming in the next couple of years me thinks.
  • JamboWayOh 7 Aug 2019 17:22:38 15,983 posts
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    FWB wrote:
    https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/08/06/long-read-its-the-english-stupid/?fbclid=IwAR20P2J3DAAH2QDPV8jpJfQ4bbQUfILlWp2v-C9Icy9qwJuebyOI_n-Iz7o
    Says it all for me really.
  • KnuttinAtoll 7 Aug 2019 18:56:49 7,547 posts
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    This morning on BBC breakfast they had some business gammon going on this crazy rant about "Brussels should stop the bullying and negotiate" waffle waffle.

    Not even a hint of a challenge from the presenter.

    I shall be putting BBC in the same box as RT. State propaganda.

    Although to be fair I watched Maitlis on Newsnight last night trying her best but it was like punching jelly.

    Desperate stuff.
  • Dougs 7 Aug 2019 19:25:33 91,262 posts
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    That gammon was Lord Digby-Jones, amazingly enough once in charge of the CBI
  • Deleted user 8 August 2019 10:09:38
    Aaaaand I would do anything to prevent No Deal
    But I won't do that*

    * allow Jeremy Corbyn to preside over a Government of National Unity

    Almost like Jo Swinson is a massive grifter
  • disusedgenius 8 Aug 2019 10:17:12 10,224 posts
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    It's almost like no one trusts the cunt.

    But insisting on being the leader of a Unity government seems very short sighted on Labour's part anyway. The point is that it's a government of Unity, not a vehicle for the opposition to take over.
  • FWB 8 Aug 2019 10:24:21 56,224 posts
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    JC is a Brexiteer. I wouldn't have him as a leader if I was trying to stop it.
  • FWB 8 Aug 2019 10:25:32 56,224 posts
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    disusedgenius wrote:
    The point is that it's a government of Unity, not a vehicle for the opposition to take over.
    And this.
  • Deleted user 8 August 2019 10:38:31
    @FWB

    You've got brainworms, pal.
  • Deleted user 8 August 2019 10:39:08
    disusedgenius wrote:
    But insisting on being the leader of a Unity government seems very short sighted on Labour's part anyway. The point is that it's a government of Unity, not a vehicle for the opposition to take over.
    Then why won't they work with him to achieve stated mutual goals?
  • Deleted user 8 August 2019 10:41:19
    One has to admire the grift of getting horny dads to pay for your trip around Europe

    https://twitter.com/MadeleinaKay/status/1157579504472211456?s=09
  • FWB 8 Aug 2019 10:42:52 56,224 posts
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    Because he wants to leave the EU and they don't. It's not hard to figure out.

    He's also a lying sack of anti-Semitic shit.

    Edited by FWB at 10:45:28 08-08-2019
  • Deleted user 8 August 2019 10:47:00
    So why not work together first to prevent leaving without a deal, and then on a second referendum (in why the Labour Party would, once again, campaign to remain)?
  • JamboWayOh 8 Aug 2019 10:47:49 15,983 posts
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    GoatApocalypse wrote:
    One has to admire the grift of getting horny dads to pay for your trip around Europe

    https://twitter.com/MadeleinaKay/status/1157579504472211456?s=09
    Not sure where you got that assumption from tbh. You could assume she's doing that or maybe she actually gives a shit about being in Europe and this is her way. I mean she actually stands for something which is a great deal more than a bunch of politicians have been doing lately.

    Edited by JamboWayOh at 10:49:56 08-08-2019

    Edited by JamboWayOh at 10:50:44 08-08-2019
  • FWB 8 Aug 2019 10:50:40 56,224 posts
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    Cos they don't need to put him in as leader to stop no-deal - anyone can do that. They also aren't convinced he's for a second referendum and that once he's in he'll go for his Brexit, ignoring a public vote. Grieve looks a much better short term option than him, if you want to halt this madness.
  • challenge_hanukkah 8 Aug 2019 10:50:42 11,693 posts
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    He's right, she's a total grifter and a complete arse.

    She was pictured not long ago laughing as she was clambering up a holocaust memorial.
  • JamboWayOh 8 Aug 2019 10:51:58 15,983 posts
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    challenge_hanukkah wrote:
    He's right, she's a total grifter and a complete arse.

    She was pictured not long ago laughing as she was clambering up a holocaust memorial.
    Really, I haven't seen that. I stand corrected if so.
  • FWB 8 Aug 2019 10:53:20 56,224 posts
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    Also, JC and his cult unifying the government? Hahaha.

    Edited by FWB at 10:53:38 08-08-2019
  • Deleted user 8 August 2019 10:55:08
    FWB wrote:
    Cos they don't need to put him in as leader to stop no-deal - anyone can do that. They also aren't convinced he's for a second referendum and that once he's in he'll go for his Brexit, ignoring a public vote. Grieve looks a much better short term option than him, if you want to halt this madness.
    Is it not the case that to prevent leaving on 31 October, they need to win a vote of no confidence and then it's LOTO who's invited to form a Government?
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