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  • FWB 8 Aug 2019 11:53:15 56,224 posts
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    GoatApocalypse wrote:
    @disusedgenius

    I absolutely agree, but they will (not inaccurately) argue that they have a mandate which is being frustrated, rather then enabled, by Parliament.

    Try to see it from their angle; if you had the opportunity to do something that you thought would be amazing, wouldn't you want to take it? And wouldn't you try every avenue, even if those you perceived as being in the wrong kept trying to shut you down?
    Not to Godwin, but that's exactly how totalitarian regimes begin.

    Hence why I'm a centralist. I do not always agree with those I might be teamed with and I am also aware I need to compromise because I know the population will never fully back me. I also do not have the answers to every problem. Anything else completely shuts down dialogue and democracy.

    It's also why my single biggest goal in politics - after sorting Brexit :p - is reforming to PR. We need to instill a culture of co-operation within our government's and population's minds. Not this winner-takes-all bollocks.

    Edited by FWB at 11:56:39 08-08-2019
  • Deleted user 8 August 2019 11:59:07
    @disusedgenius

    Any Brexiters.
  • Deleted user 8 August 2019 12:03:14
    @FWB

    On the first point - again, I agree from my perspective but their perspective will be markedly different.

    On the second - I'll stick with the eternal dictatorship of the proletariat, cheers ;)
  • disusedgenius 8 Aug 2019 12:08:52 10,224 posts
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    GoatApocalypse wrote:
    @disusedgenius

    Any Brexiters.
    I don't expect Brexiters to give up, no. imo the country (or, well, England) is going to be in a state of sectarian divide for the next couple of decades at least.
  • FWB 8 Aug 2019 12:12:54 56,224 posts
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    GoatApocalypse wrote:
    @FWB

    On the first point - again, I agree from my perspective but their perspective will be markedly different.

    On the second - I'll stick with the eternal dictatorship of the proletariat, cheers ;)
    On a side note, if one hasn't read it, Ministry of Truth is very very good.
  • JamboWayOh 8 Aug 2019 16:07:48 15,983 posts
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    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/08/no-10-refuses-to-rule-out-election-shortly-after-31-october-brexit

    This was always the plan though.
  • Dougs 8 Aug 2019 16:13:38 91,262 posts
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    Of course.
  • DrStrangelove 8 Aug 2019 16:42:26 14,727 posts
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    I think in psychology they call that extended suicide
  • Dougs 8 Aug 2019 16:46:31 91,262 posts
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    It is an odd one, as it will ensure the Brexit Party vote is returned to them but then they will have to own the mess for 5 years.
  • FWB 8 Aug 2019 16:51:14 56,224 posts
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    As if they are thinking that far ahead. Their only game plan is to blame everything on the EU and rely on an ineffective opposition. It's going to work.

    I remember so many commentating on how the Tories taking control in 2010 (and again in 2015) would seriously suffer at the hands of the electorate for the pain that the economic crisis would bring. They cut, cut, cut and large sways of the public still keep voting them in cos it's all the fault of foreigners and the EU, while Jeremy is a Commie and couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. It doesn't really matter what you do if you can control the narrative.

    Edited by FWB at 16:53:56 08-08-2019
  • DrStrangelove 8 Aug 2019 18:55:39 14,727 posts
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    Is it too early to repost this again? Too late? Too much on time? The real issue is probably that in the times of John Major they had no idea what was coming in the 2010s.

  • Dougs 8 Aug 2019 19:19:17 91,262 posts
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    FWB wrote:
    As if they are thinking that far ahead. Their only game plan is to blame everything on the EU and rely on an ineffective opposition. It's going to work.

    I remember so many commentating on how the Tories taking control in 2010 (and again in 2015) would seriously suffer at the hands of the electorate for the pain that the economic crisis would bring. They cut, cut, cut and large sways of the public still keep voting them in cos it's all the fault of foreigners and the EU, while Jeremy is a Commie and couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. It doesn't really matter what you do if you can control the narrative.
    Their base wasn't really affected though. Pensions were locked in. Not many jobs were affected. But I think food shortages and price rises, especially petrol and energy, and a shit NHS will make them realise
  • DrStrangelove 8 Aug 2019 19:51:41 14,727 posts
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    @Dougs

    Realise what? That the EU wants to destroy them and that their only hope is the Tories?
  • FWB 8 Aug 2019 20:01:42 56,224 posts
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    Quite. It's always going to be the EU's fault for the cultists. You're asking these people to suddenly become rational and embrace empiricism.
  • Psychotext 10 Aug 2019 23:07:40 65,860 posts
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    The state of these fucking clowns.

    Chancellor Sajid Javid is drawing up plans for millions of commemorative 50p coin to be issued when the UK leaves the European Union later this year.

    Government officials said the move was a statement of intent that the Treasury is dedicated to leaving the EU.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49308970
  • JamboWayOh 10 Aug 2019 23:10:31 15,983 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    The state of these fucking clowns.

    Chancellor Sajid Javid is drawing up plans for millions of commemorative 50p coin to be issued when the UK leaves the European Union later this year.

    Government officials said the move was a statement of intent that the Treasury is dedicated to leaving the EU.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49308970
    I imagine it will be a engraving of people jumping off the cliffs of Dover shouting FREEDOM!
  • X201 11 Aug 2019 06:32:08 19,653 posts
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    JamboWayOh wrote:
    Psychotext wrote:
    The state of these fucking clowns.

    Chancellor Sajid Javid is drawing up plans for millions of commemorative 50p coin to be issued when the UK leaves the European Union later this year.

    Government officials said the move was a statement of intent that the Treasury is dedicated to leaving the EU.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49308970
    I imagine it will be a engraving of people jumping off the cliffs of Dover shouting FREEDOM!


    Edited by X201 at 06:32:55 11-08-2019
  • Psychotext 13 Aug 2019 10:32:49 65,860 posts
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    Brexit supporting boss of Next reckons no deal probably wont be a catastrophe. Speek ur brane responders take this as proof that project fear has failed and that we're all heading to the sunlit uplands.

    Just kill me now.
  • Salaman 13 Aug 2019 15:07:39 23,727 posts
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    Seems like an odd decision.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/12/british-diplomats-to-pull-out-from-eu-decision-making-meetings-within-days
  • FWB 13 Aug 2019 15:28:16 56,224 posts
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    Not from Johnson's perspective. Every single thing he does is for his right-wing domestic audience.
  • The_Goon 13 Aug 2019 15:32:38 1,424 posts
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    Salaman wrote:
    Seems like an odd decision.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/12/british-diplomats-to-pull-out-from-eu-decision-making-meetings-within-days
    EU decision making meetings not pregnant!

    This whole mess leaves me dismayed. If my wife wasn't so dead against it, I think I would just up sticks and emigrate.
  • Salaman 13 Aug 2019 16:50:33 23,727 posts
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    FWB wrote:
    Not from Johnson's perspective. Every single thing he does is for his right-wing domestic audience.
    Even then. If the whole point was to gain control, wouldn't it make sense to remain part of the decision making process for as long as you can?
  • FWB 13 Aug 2019 16:52:18 56,224 posts
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    He's not thinking about that at all. It was never about gaining control but appealing to some warped nationalist emotion.
  • Deleted user 13 August 2019 20:02:15
    In order to cede more control to The Markets.

    It's actually a fairly admirable approach to statecraft. I mean, it's fucking horrific but I have grudging respect for the approach.
  • FWB 13 Aug 2019 20:35:59 56,224 posts
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    Eh? He has removed British say from European policies which will have an impact on us now and post Brexit when we succumb in talks. Nothing to do with markets. He's an idiot making a political statement to his supporters.
  • senso-ji 14 Aug 2019 14:39:44 9,943 posts
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    Back to the dangerous rhetoric

    I know Boris wants to please the gammons, but he's thick to start a witch hunt within his own party when he has a working majority of one.
  • Deleted user 14 August 2019 17:45:05
    @FWB

    We're removing ourselves from a trading bloc and the regulations (protections) it affords in order to open up the country to global market forces.

    I make no judgement on that (lol jk I hate it) but I do respect the statecraft behind it.
  • FWB 14 Aug 2019 18:18:27 56,224 posts
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    That doesn't explain the early removal of civil servants - the point we are specifically discussing.

    The EU IS global market forces, btw. A substantially more important global force to us than any other. Always will be, because you can't run away from geography.

    Edited by FWB at 18:20:33 14-08-2019
  • FWB 14 Aug 2019 19:34:21 56,224 posts
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    https://twitter.com/TygerWhoCame2T/status/1161697053082341376
  • Deleted user 14 August 2019 23:06:19
    Corbyn playing cunt chicken again, is it
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