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  • askew 4 Dec 2020 16:37:39 22,605 posts
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    brokenkey wrote:
    General_Martok wrote:
    27 days to go. Patience.
    no, we left in January.
    Not free enough of the "dark hand" of the Empire according to Jacob Rees Moggalog
  • muddyyfunster 4 Dec 2020 16:44:37 804 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    muddyyfunster wrote:
    The EU often do this though.
    That's been analysed and it's not actually true. It's more a case of how the media has portrayed it.
    You might well be right. I'm really just thinking of the two Greek bail outs and that EU budget that went right to midnight on deadline day. Our media aren't interested in the less dramatic deals that are done in an orderly fashion. Equally, can you cite any occasions were a deadline was simply allowed to lapse and the process failed? This is what I'm perhaps naively hanging onto.

    Edited by muddyyfunster at 16:45:52 04-12-2020
  • Psychotext 5 Dec 2020 14:06:21 69,155 posts
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    I'd need to dig up the article. I couldn't point to details without it.

    On topic... more sunlit uplands!

  • Nazo 5 Dec 2020 16:35:03 1,616 posts
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    Brexit threatening to ruin African farmers

    User Letsgo turns in his grave.
  • Jono62 5 Dec 2020 16:41:14 26,345 posts
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    Who knew this would happen? It's just such a shock.
  • dfunked09 5 Dec 2020 22:55:05 1,451 posts
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    That number 10 image of Boris gesticulating at his latte while his hair is even more tousled than usual with some moody desk light and a TELEPHONE... Is this supposed to instill something in me other than "this is the cunt that's actually doing negotiations now?! Fuck!"
  • frightlever 6 Dec 2020 15:53:15 1,516 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    I'd need to dig up the article. I couldn't point to details without it.

    On topic... more sunlit uplands!

    I assume this applies if there's a deal. If there isn't a deal then NI should just be the same as the rest of the UK.

    I honestly think "no deal" would cause less harm to NI than a deal that puts NI outside the rest of the UK's custom area. Even if it means a new wave of Nationalist violence, having 70% of trade having to go through a customs declaration process to reach the mainland is going to cripple the already pisspoor economy here. Never mind having to pay extra for Hobnobs.

    If there is a deal and NI is carved off into a discrete customs area, it won't take long for the Loyalist drug-dealers to wake up and start shooting up Catholic schools or whatever counter-productive gesture they think will make their "point".

    I just hope people remember the DUP supported the Tories and vote for... for... there really is no (viable, in case anyone suggests Alliance) alternative to the DUP, no matter how sane, progressive, rooted in the 21st Century and not obviously corrupt you are, if you're in favour of the Union.
  • Psychotext 7 Dec 2020 11:08:11 69,155 posts
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    In recent weeks the congestion at Felixstowe as well as other ports has encouraged vessels to “cut and run” – either partially unloading or skipping UK calls altogether and dumping cargo at Rotterdam, Antwerp and Zeebrugge instead, said Mirko Woitzik, an analyst at the supply chain risk advisory firm Resilience360. Some carriers are discussing not calling at Felixstowe until February because of fears it will remain clogged, he said.
    WOOF.
  • DFawkes 7 Dec 2020 11:15:59 32,744 posts
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    frightlever wrote:
    I assume this applies if there's a deal. If there isn't a deal then NI should just be the same as the rest of the UK.
    Part of the Withdrawal Agreement, specifically the "Protocol on Ireland and Northern Ireland", comes into play here and complicates things a bit, but the short version is Northern Ireland still has to follow some EU rules and regulations, even after December 2020, in order to prevent a hard border in Ireland.
  • KnuttinAtoll 7 Dec 2020 11:22:04 8,633 posts
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    Internal Market Bill vote in a few hours should be interesting.

    Apparently there's been rumours that BoJo the Clown will walk away from the talks in his speech later but don't have anything solid on this so probably just gossip. Then again... maybe we will know a bit more this evening.
  • Psychotext 7 Dec 2020 11:23:07 69,155 posts
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    Well, if the vote goes through then it's likely the EU will stop the talks anyway... so today could very well be the day.
  • KnuttinAtoll 7 Dec 2020 11:26:28 8,633 posts
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    Indeed.

    As someone else on another forum quite rightly stated, what good is a deal (to the EU) if you have to insist on including rules to enforce it, because they're expecting the other side to violate it. Sad but true.

    Edited by KnuttinAtoll at 11:26:55 07-12-2020
  • sport 7 Dec 2020 11:33:09 16,578 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    Well, if the vote goes through then it's likely the EU will stop the talks anyway... so today could very well be the day.
    And you can kiss any US deal away.
  • KnuttinAtoll 7 Dec 2020 11:58:47 8,633 posts
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    Quite.

    https://twitter.com/Andrew_Adonis/status/1335532756080660487

    And this, hot off the press...

    https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1335917882245599236

    Edited by KnuttinAtoll at 12:12:02 07-12-2020
  • Psychotext 7 Dec 2020 14:03:39 69,155 posts
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    Things are looking pretty good!

    Edit - Received what's likely to be my last ever tariff / fee free parcel from the EU today. It's not even close to the worst thing we'll lose... but it still makes me a bit sad.

    Edited by Psychotext at 14:33:41 07-12-2020
  • askew 7 Dec 2020 19:02:31 22,605 posts
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    Fucks sake.

    If "No deal" is so good, I'm not quite sure why they keep bothering?
  • nickthegun 7 Dec 2020 19:04:57 84,512 posts
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    "our government of multi-millionaires are quite prepared to follow through with a no-deal scenario"

    Thanks, means a lot.
  • RichDC 7 Dec 2020 19:14:28 9,007 posts
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    Boris is off to Brussels to deal with things personally. It's going to be OK.
  • KnuttinAtoll 7 Dec 2020 19:18:20 8,633 posts
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    RichDC wrote:
    Boris is off to Brussels to deal with things personally. It's going to be OK.
    Hope that Ursula is bringing her bodyguards - she wouldn't want to meet the same fate as that poor kid that Boris bulldozed during that rugby game.
  • sport 7 Dec 2020 19:56:34 16,578 posts
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    She needs bojos personal touch.
  • JamboWayOh 7 Dec 2020 20:23:38 22,445 posts
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    askew wrote:
    Fucks sake.

    If "No deal" is so good, I'm not quite sure why they keep bothering?
    That is the indeed the biggest mystery. It's almost as if bluffing and being called out on an international scale has consequences
  • nickthegun 7 Dec 2020 20:27:23 84,512 posts
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    I think they may have held their noses and gone for it another time but surely even these cunts couldn’t risk it during a global pandemic.
  • RobAnybody 7 Dec 2020 21:37:16 2,845 posts
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    If any progress is to be made then either the UK or the EU has to give way in some manner, however the EU can't be seen to be favouring the UK because then other EU countries will then want their own form of favouritism, however Boris can't back down because then he has the ERG and certain portions of the UK media and general public throwing a major tantrum.

    It all seems to be for show now, both parties can say "we did our best" when it almost certainly ends in no deal.

    Perhaps the UK should hold another Referendum ........
  • Dougs 7 Dec 2020 22:13:51 97,448 posts
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    Can't see Boris goin over there to be humiliated. Surely he's going so he can claim victory with a deal (even if it's not a great deal, it'll be sold as such). If he wanted no deal he'd distance himself from it quick smart.
  • TheSaint 7 Dec 2020 22:52:25 20,280 posts
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    Yeah I agree, Johnson wouldn’t be anywhere near this if it had a chance of going tits up.
  • Psychotext 7 Dec 2020 23:01:24 69,155 posts
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    In fairness, he's fucked up many many things that he's "stepped in to take control of". So much so that it's become a bit of a running joke.

    Edit - Also, brexiters are so fucking thick that it could also easily be spun as him going over there to tell them we're tired of their shit and where they can stick it.

    They'll swallow it up as they always do.

    Edited by Psychotext at 23:02:38 07-12-2020
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 7 Dec 2020 23:28:33 16,065 posts
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    I think Boris going over is more a sign of fear on his part than him wanting a share of any success. All of a sudden the reality of how fucked we’ll be has become very real and very imminent and he’s shat himself and dashed over the channel to try and save the deal, any deal. Of course he’ll sell it as a victory but it won’t be a patch on even what May thought she could offer.
  • JamboWayOh 7 Dec 2020 23:32:12 22,445 posts
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    Swallow that shit and call it sugar.
  • askew 7 Dec 2020 23:48:44 22,605 posts
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    Yum
  • Dougs 8 Dec 2020 05:20:12 97,448 posts
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    @simpleexplodingmaybe yes, that too.
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