The CSGO gambling story

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  • the_milkybar_kid 4 Jul 2016 21:06:34 8,295 posts
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    No thread yet? This whole thing has blown up over the last few hours with more evidence being uncovered on Gaff. Really good introductory video on the main page by H3H3 that explains what's going on but as time goes on, the rabbit hole is getting deeper.
  • Dirtbox 4 Jul 2016 21:08:06 91,433 posts
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  • the_milkybar_kid 4 Jul 2016 21:13:27 8,295 posts
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    From a gaming point of view, it's pretty massive with Valve's practices also being bought into question. I think this will snowball.
  • romelpotter 4 Jul 2016 21:46:14 317 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    No thread because it's a storm in a teacup on a slow gaming news week.
    Really?

    Illegal & Global, unregulated gambling that potentially involves children as young as 14!!!!

    Really?
  • Dirtbox 4 Jul 2016 21:48:16 91,433 posts
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  • SomaticSense 4 Jul 2016 21:54:57 15,062 posts
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    The facilitation of underage gambling by Valve, and the explicit targeting of underage gamblers by these Youtubers and the fraudulent way they went about is pretty big news on any day.

    Valve just got hit with a lawsuit on the subject of underage gambling, so you can bet this will amp it up even further. More and more is coming out about it by the hour and none of it reflects well on anyone involved *. Jail looks like a distinct possibility for a few of them.

    Maybe it'll die down in a few days and seem like a storm in a teacup afterall, but right now it looks like it'll run and run.

    *My favourite is the moment one of them realised he was accidentally streaming his admin account for the site he "found" live to the world. Cue look of terror on his webcam and and a panicked logout :D
  • SomaticSense 4 Jul 2016 21:58:31 15,062 posts
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    FuzzyDucky wrote:
    15 minutes of internet fame, meh.

    If we'd stop giving these cunts a platform and an audience they'd fuck off back to whatever shithole they originally sprung forth from.
    Except they are already flush from internet fame, and the 'shithole' would be a two storey waterfront condo earnt from the proceeds of possibly illegal activity.

    This is the the kind of nightmarish 15 minutes they'd rather dig a hole to get away from.
  • the_milkybar_kid 4 Jul 2016 22:11:22 8,295 posts
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    Watching them backtrack by editing videos, claiming they never made out that they didn't own the site has been glorious. And yeah that gift of him being logged in as CSGOLOTOBOT5- whilst claiming he only found the site- genius.

    Fuckers going to jail for sure. It get more and more shady as time goes on. Posting pictures of his mansion with the tagines 'make your own luck', indeed make your own fucking odds whilst you're at it!
  • grassyknoll 4 Jul 2016 22:31:20 732 posts
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    Valve's questionable business practices (facilitating underage gambling & accusations of child labour) have stopped me buying games from them altogether now. They really are quite poisonous and think they're probably the worst company in gaming right now.

    * Obviously we're talking about the Youtubers, but Valve's business model makes their shenanigans possible.

    Edited by grassyknoll at 22:35:08 04-07-2016
  • Nades 4 Jul 2016 22:58:40 2,907 posts
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    These guys are just greedy cunts. This is the type of thing someone struggling with money would do. At least you'd think that would make more sense?

    Not someone whos basically living the dream, the houses these pricks live in and cars they drive are ridiculous. All about greed.
  • Ziz0u 4 Jul 2016 23:03:06 11,006 posts
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    Papa bless.
  • senso-ji 5 Jul 2016 00:11:36 10,093 posts
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    Google / Youtube are just as guilty of facilitating internet gaming celebrities as Valve are. At the end of the day, it all comes down to views and CPM and what was once a 'social' network has now become a race to the bottom to see just how many impressionable minds can be exploited for cash.
  • Dirtbox 5 Jul 2016 00:18:30 91,433 posts
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  • Zeffi 5 Jul 2016 00:25:34 1,028 posts
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    If I could make loads of money from my subscribers, I definitely would.
  • Dirtbox 5 Jul 2016 01:52:05 91,433 posts
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  • Deleted user 5 July 2016 02:13:45
    literally the most important thing on the internet, for an hour
  • Deleted user 5 July 2016 02:18:50
    these little fucks (and similar little fucks) were born into an already monetised internet, handed everything in life and practically given free rein to do whatever the fuck they please and make MILLIONS doing it. and people* wonder why their moral compass is broken?

    *on forums where they are actually talking about this
  • Dirtbox 5 Jul 2016 05:49:53 91,433 posts
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  • BillMurray 5 Jul 2016 05:54:27 9,589 posts
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    Ziz0u wrote:
    Papa bless.
  • Deleted user 5 July 2016 05:55:47
    Well, it goes to show that you don't have to be a big business to be pond dwelling scum.
  • grassyknoll 5 Jul 2016 07:53:38 732 posts
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    @Dirtbox Using the drug dealer in a town analogy, Valve would be the town's police force taking a backhander while the drug dealer goes about his business. They removed the block on their website and let them continue. Valve are the poster child of unregulated capitalism in gaming.
  • the_milkybar_kid 5 Jul 2016 08:02:03 8,295 posts
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    Valve lived long enough to see themselves become the villain.
  • Deleted user 5 July 2016 08:14:10
    Have to wonder what the gambling commission are doing about these sites. Surely it's their job to regulate them. Actually, the Senet Group are probably the people who should be informed firstly reading their website as this is unregulated gambling that is just existing because i don't think such groups understand them.

    Edited by Legate at 08:14:30 05-07-2016
  • President_Weasel 5 Jul 2016 08:38:36 12,355 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    ecu wrote:
    The h3h3 video was good but he seemed to paint it as a devious scheme to turn kids in to gambling addicts when really that just seems like happenstance. Kids generally don't have a lot of money, I would think the main audience would be the young working adults that generally play CS. Not that kids aren't gambling on it, it just seems a bit "won't somebody please think of the children" for me.
    Except most of their viewers are between 13 and 16. One 15 year old was saying how it scammed him out of hundreds of euros.
    What is one fifteen year old even doing with hundreds of euros? Was it his rent money? No.

    Important lesson on the perils of gambling and of trusting random Internets, learned young and relatively cheap

    Edited by President_Weasel at 08:39:40 05-07-2016

    Edited by President_Weasel at 08:40:25 05-07-2016
  • MrTomFTW Best Moderator, 2016 5 Jul 2016 09:38:34 47,499 posts
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    And now PsiSyndicate, who is actually a completely different person to ProSyndicate (I assume they're affiliated in some way?) has come out and admitted he was paid to make videos in which he won big on another CS:GO gambling site, and those wins were faked:

    http://www.polygon.com/2016/7/4/12094174/psysindicate-cs-go-steamloto-betting-rigged
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