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Yeah, I used to insist that anything without an SD card was pointless, but since moving over to Play Music I've barely put a dent in my card. 128GB is a bit pointless, but 32GB is a bit tight without any additional storage, especially if you're recording loads of video/installing heaps of games.. (8GB of it is gobbled up by the system straight away) 64GB is the sweet spot imo, so the OP3 seems like even better value now! Edited by dfunked at 22:21:12 04-10-2016 |
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MrWorf 64,187 posts
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Registered 20 years ago@richardiox Contract? Which deal?
I've checked a few on CPW, they are insanely unfair. I currently pay £18 p/m with 3 for unlimited 4g data, texts, 200 minutes on a rolling contract.
So it would cost me £1131 for 24 months + the price of a 128gb Pixel.
For a Pixel on contract with a similar deal at CPW I would have to pay £52 p/m + £30 up front... that's £1432! It doesn't even have unlimited data, capped at 24GB! Thieves. -
cjb_bjc 2,144 posts
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Registered 13 years agoMy one plus is pretty awesome! I'd recommend it highly. Although if you want to use it for VR then it's not ideal. You'd need a qhd screen. If you need it for phone purposes it hits all the notes! -
Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years agoStranded87 wrote:
I guess having had to do with 16GB for so long has taught me to get rid of unused stuff. I only have one or two games at any one time.
Tonka wrote:
Apps and games? Plus relying on the cloud while less of an issue by the year still doesn't give you instant guaranteed access to your stuff wherever you are. But mostly apps and games. This is only an issue if you use a lot of apps and games, but I do.
I for one don't get why people buy 128GB phones.
Free unlimited storage for photos and videos. Problem solved.
16GB is too small though so I was planning on spoiling myself with a whopping 32 this time.
A funny sad thing about me is that the fact that the Pixel have that slight wedge shape made it go from "Most boring phone I've seen" to "Hmmm... not bad. Not bad at all"
I've become a fashionista. Will start a blog. -
Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years agoBloobat wrote:
They changed that with the Nexus 6 two years ago. The 6P caught a lot of flak for being overpriced when it came out.
Seems a bit naff to me personally, overpriced as well in my opinion, I thought the point of the Nexus/Pixel range was its good value? -
Not-a-reviewer 7,686 posts
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Registered 7 years agodisusedgenius wrote:
You need to have 128 gig available when on the tube? How long are you down there for?
Reviewer_ wrote:
But you still need to download the music if you want to listen offline though. Cloud bullshit isn't very handy when you're stuck on the tube.
I used to think that way with music before the streaming services existed but found I would download 60 gig of stuff and listen to the same 3 or 4 gigs worth. -
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nickthegun 87,711 posts
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Registered 16 years agoI went with my phone because it has an SD slot, but I also got a massive data plan, so I'm finding I don't need as much storage as I thought I would.
Google photos keeps everything tidy and all of my music is in the cloud bar one emergency 'im in the middle of nowhere' playlist. I'm not going to Bill Gates it with 'i can't see why anyone would need 128gb' but the rush for storage certainly isn't as important as it was a few years ago. -
Syrette 51,181 posts
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Registered 19 years agoStranded87 wrote:
+1
It is fully mental. This isn't just premium pricing, it's over pricing. It's bad enough people pay this money for Apple stuff, but at least that has a nice design and runs an operating system which, while worse, is preferred by some people.
Stock Android, no microSD slot and in the Pixel's case a 1080p screen, wrapped up in a meh body, does not justify this outlay. As good as stock is there are plenty of great launchers on Google Play if you don't like manufacturer skins. -
Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years agoI tried to start a more general thread about Googles assault on Apple rather than wether or not the Pixel phone is good/expensive and what to do with 128GB. Since the mods found it too similar I'll repost that here and hope it doesn't drown
Last nights "Made by Google" event was in many ways a direct attack on House Jobs. A handfull of digs at headphone jacks, unsightly camera bumps, slightly worse camera etc and a lot of co-opting of "It just works" and "hardware and software come together".
There have been talks about this head to head before but this time Google seem to have gone all in on it. Each Pixel phone comes with a dongle who's sole purpose was to make transferring your data from an iPhone to the Pixel as simple as possible.
But do they stand a chance? Why now? Why a phone?
Yes yes, phones are hubs yadda yadda our digital manifestations blah blah. Isn't it skating to where the puck is? Apple are (if pundits are to be believed) slowly preparing for when the phone is a portable screen connected to our watches and controlled by our AirPods.
Google makes a phone.
I guess you have to start somewhere and trying to make the watch, headset, dumb screen combo today would be suicide. I also think that Google are feeling increasingly shut out from Siri (see Apple Musics full integration that is denied to Spotify, YouTube et al) and that they, Google, have to start building a foundation now or be left behind on exploding Smaugdung crap. -
AcidSnake 8,461 posts
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Registered 15 years ago@Tonka:
I don't think it's a direct attack on Apple...The digs were there just to remind everyone they're the fun, not too serious, company I think...
The iPhone transfer dongle is indeed geared to convert people to Android though...
If Google wanted to all-out attack Apple they would just suddenly remove Maps, Youtube, Search, Docs, Sheets, Slides, Drive and all their other stuff from the App store...Also maybe pressuring Niantic to drop Pokemon Go...
That would damage their reputation but I guess for many people it would remove a lot of useful stuff from the Apple ecosystem that isn't easily replaced...
Evidenced by Apple removing them for the launch of (was it iPhone 4S?) and the public outcry...
As a whole we're unfortunately not the target audience for the phones. It's the people who just want a flagship phone because it's a flagship phone...
I wouldn't be surprised if the Pixel range would just remain flagship and that possibly Nexus lives on as it has been going?
No sign of Andromeda though, that was disappointing... -
Duffking 16,964 posts
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Registered 15 years agoLooking at this thing I'll probably just grab a OnePlus 3 next year when the price drops ready for the 4 to come out. -
Huggybear 1,807 posts
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Registered 19 years agoTonka wrote:
And the 5x (which did get a price drop quite quickly).
Bloobat wrote:
They changed that with the Nexus 6 two years ago. The 6P caught a lot of flak for being overpriced when it came out.
Seems a bit naff to me personally, overpriced as well in my opinion, I thought the point of the Nexus/Pixel range was its good value?
I think the entire point of going from Nexus to Pixel branding was trying to get rid of that "must be a cheap phone" baggage.
1. Flagship build quality
2. Allegedly the best camera on any phone currently available
3. Google Assistant (far superior to Siri by all accounts)
Sounds like a potential winner to me, even though I'm not in the market for a phone at the moment. And frankly, I don't think Google even expects to sell that many units (Htc probably can't even produce them in iPhone-like numbers), it's just the start of something new. -
Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years agoAcidSnake wrote:
I don't think they can do that ... yet. They need to offer a decent alternative which I think the Pixel is. They have to take it in steps, keep building awesome apps for iOS and buil up their own hardware. Then one day do as you say. Although I find it unlikely.
@Tonka:
I don't think it's a direct attack on Apple...The digs were there just to remind everyone they're the fun, not too serious, company I think...
The iPhone transfer dongle is indeed geared to convert people to Android though...
If Google wanted to all-out attack Apple they would just suddenly remove Maps, Youtube, Search, Docs, Sheets, Slides, Drive and all their other stuff from the App store...Also maybe pressuring Niantic to drop Pokemon Go...
AcidSnake wrote:
Also quite telling. There was NO talk about android, NO talk about Chrome, NO talk about Chromebooks. 100% Google google google. I definitely see this as a key moment in Googles history. Just remembered that one of the involved said this event was as important as when they announced android.
No sign of Andromeda though, that was disappointing...
I think andromeda might be GoogleOS and run on all Google HW. -
Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years agoAlso, I'd love a Pixel phone. I'm just not willing to plonk down the cash on my own. Will nag the boss for one though. -
Not-a-reviewer 7,686 posts
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Registered 7 years agoThe Nexus 6p dropped to a good price too. £350 for that phone is a very good price.
I don't really know what flagship build quality means. All the phones coming out now are very well made (barring exploding Samsung), the difference between smartphone cameras is pretty minimal year to year and the smart assistant may be good, although it does nothing for me.
There's just nothing there that justified a £300 extra spend over last year's versions.
A slightly better processor and camera and slight reskin of their 'pure' operating system, for some major attempt at branding seems a bit underwhelming.
The only thing from their announcement I liked was 4k stuff on the play store. -
disusedgenius 10,677 posts
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Registered 14 years agoreviewer wrote:
It's not that you'll need 128, but that if you want more than 32 (minus 25% so it'll run properly) that's your only option. And if anyone wants some video to choose from then that's not going to last that long.
You need to have 128 gig available when on the tube? How long are you down there for?
And besides, it's not about having no signal it's about not having WiFi access. That could be an hour on the tube or 12 hours on a plane.
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AcidSnake 8,461 posts
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Registered 15 years ago@Tonka:
I sure hope they don't go all out in being evil and remove their apps from the App Store though...
And honestly there's no real need to...
iOS is slowly losing ground anyway (WRT market share), and innovation is thin on the ground on both sides...
I think Google might actually be targeting Samsung already...If the choice is between an S7 or a Pixel it's getting pretty close in terms of what they offer/price...
The real gamechanger at this point would be battery life IMO...A flagship device which lasts as long as the old Nokias did would be an instabuy... -
Load_2.0 33,582 posts
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Registered 18 years agoIt's bizarre.
Marketing and pricing determine desirability but it takes time to achieve the perception of being a premium brand.
I am sure the Pixel is a great phone and is super fast but the design is like every other unibody phone yet manages to look cheaper than the S7 and the IP7 even the OP3.
It's like releasing a new Honda Civic hiking the price and expecting BMW and Merc owners to be won over. -
Not-a-reviewer 7,686 posts
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Registered 7 years agoBranding and marketing and the image is the only thing justifying the price of apple and Samsung stuff these days. Other than that the similarity of components and software can't justify a price like that.
It's like buying 2 identical laptops but paying £400 more for one because it says it's Sony instead of some small brand.
It was different a while ago but it's all so homogenised now. -
Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years ago@AcidSnake well, Google sure shitcanned Windows Phone. Even cockblocked MS own YouTube app on some technicality.
But it's too late to do the same to ios. At least for now. I bet Google would love to be able to dangle the threat in a credible way in order to get access to Siri -
gamingdave 5,087 posts
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Registered 17 years agoreviewer wrote:
I have 128gb of music on my phone. Obviously when out of signal range I would only need a fraction of that to keep me going, but its about choice. I dont want to have to pick in advance what I might want to listen to at any given time.
You need to have 128 gig available when on the tube? How long are you down there for?
I do use Spotify as well, but nearly always with cached playlists as I don't have an unlimited data plan, which is another reason to want larger storage. -
AcidSnake 8,461 posts
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Registered 15 years agoTonka wrote:
WP never went above 3% market share globally, even the regions they sold most barely reached 10%...Shitcanning WP was probably more about not wasting resources with continued support rather than eliminating them...
@AcidSnake well, Google sure shitcanned Windows Phone. Even cockblocked MS own YouTube app on some technicality.
But it's too late to do the same to ios. At least for now. I bet Google would love to be able to dangle the threat in a credible way in order to get access to Siri
Too late to do the same to iOS is wrong too...They'd be seen as dicks but if they removed support I'd imagine iOS would fall by a few percentage points...They're currently at about 13%/14% market share so it could tip them below 10%...That's an important psychological number for anyone in the business of making apps as they could then be sold as "We'll just do Android as that covers more than 90% of users"...
Also, less than 8% use Siri "often" IIRC in a poll from some months ago so I'm not sure why Google would see that as a real issue anyway... -
Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years agoBut alas, I think the "market share as money paid to app devs" split is more like 70/30 in Apples favor. Hmmm... maybe that's the reason for the pricier Pixel. Like Nigeria Letters pre-select for idiots by being obviously daft, selling overpriced electronics might pre-select for people willing to pay money for a note taking app.
Apps are so fucking passé (games, and whatever facebook buys/copies not included) though. They're a solution to a problem that no longer exists. Just like storing photos on your device is akin to heating your house by rubbing two sticks together. -
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Registered 18 years agoGoogle would never cut their software market share in favour of their hardware market share. It's antithetical to their business plan. -
AcidSnake 8,461 posts
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Registered 15 years ago@Tonka:
I was just referring to app development for third parties (the business I'm in)...
Already we're seeing some of our projects becoming Android exclusive to cut costs and maximise audience...
If Apple were to fall under 10% market share it could be a point of no return for them...
The main reason iOS has held out this long for the majority of our clients is that almost all execs use iPhones and think it's about a 50/50 split...There's still some with Blackberries as well...
As for apps being passè there's definitely a shift to more useful apps instead of advertisement apps...
And I'm quite glad about that to be honest as at least the thing I'm developing has a purpose beyond "buy our stuff"... -
Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years ago@AcidSnake I've noticed a massive drop off int the advertising apps as well. I'm working at a small webagency and for a while we would get constant requests for branded games and what not. After seeing three of them crash and burn (one was kind of clever too, the others deserved to die) the ad agency that gave us the job stopped asking for that crap.
Recently it's stuff like membership apps for stores etc that are getting replaced by mobile only websites. We're all happy about it because that's where we shine and the clients love it because they get both platforms with no meddling store owners.
What kind of useful apps do you guys do? -
Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years agoL0cky wrote:
Good point. What I think though is that if what the pundits are saying about Apple and the future of HCI* is right, then Google will progressively lose ground on ios wrt their core business (collecting and organizing the worlds data).
Google would never cut their software market share in favour of their hardware market share. It's antithetical to their business plan.
So the Pixel could be them circling the wagons. Or more, laying down the foundation for a serious counter offer.
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@Tonka:
We've recently had a few projects in personnel management and task organisation...
Another had to do with real-time data analysis and overview of various meteorological sensors in the area...
Sure beats making apps for perfume stores with their latest bullshit scent which can just as easily be given in PDF form...
It was all made into an app fro the sake of being made into an app...
Now it's more based on what makes sense...
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