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Yeah, although it's on you whether you do it or not, but I can't honestly say the thought of uploading it wouldn't have crossed my mind. She did something really shitty, he did something shitty back. I highly doubt he thought it through. And she sent it to 5 people probably all with malicious intentions. She wasn't exactly shy. /victim blaming 101, I know. |
Leaked sex tape causes suicide. Who is to blame? • Page 2
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Ziz0u 11,006 posts
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Registered 12 years agoHi, new page. Please go back and see I'm not alone. -
ElNuevo9 14,164 posts
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Registered 15 years agoCame in hoping it was Kim Kardashian.
Leaving the thread disappointed tbh. -
Vice.Destroyer 7,437 posts
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Registered 15 years agomonkman76 wrote:
I am sure that I could have phrased it better. But I went with that question for the sake of a concise thread title.
I'm not sure "who is to blame?" is the best way to react to this. As far as I can tell no law has been broken. It's a sad story with some regrettable behaviour on both sides.
It's a sad story and I know that if I was the ex, I would never have uploaded something that intimate without consent. Or even with consent. Uploads like that, I just do not want to be associated with. I just really wanted to see what the rest of EG thinks about this. I like quite a lot of the points that others have made. But if anyone has any legal expertise, I would like to know where the uploader stands in regards to the law. Will he get in trouble for this or not? -
Ziz0u 11,006 posts
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Registered 12 years agoVice.Destroyer wrote:
mrpon wrote:
Too soon.
Links?
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Mola_Ram 26,187 posts
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Registered 9 years agoSending tape to 4 people = stupid and pretty shitty (assuming it was done with malicious intent)
Forwarding said tape to millions upon millions of people = shittiness and stupidity to an incalculably worse degree than the original act
(edited 5 to 4, to satisfy Salaman)
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Salaman 24,162 posts
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Registered 17 years agobad09 wrote:
There's a difference between having 'just a video of sex on the internet' an seeing that 'views' counter reach over a million and thinking "oh shit, I'm ashamed, so many people saw me get railed" and becoming a bit of celebrity in real life. At some point in the video, she says "You're filming? Bravo!".
With regards to the suicide, it's sad the women took her own life but also incredibly stupid really. It's just a video of sex big bloody deal, I know modern society has a weird obsession and embarrassment of it but it's something we all do and just like when the gossip mills hear/see of something saucy and go off gabbing and laughing about it (I've been there and I'm sure others have to) the internet would have forgotten with time and moved on to something else she just had ride out the embarrassment she really caused herself.
People printed it on shirts and phone covers.
She also didn't straight up kill herself as soon as this video took off.
She quit her job, she moved to a different part of the country and assumed a new name but she was still being recognised. Being in the public eye like that constantly for an extended period of time will no doubt grind you down, make you desperate and depressed and apparently, cause you to take your own life. -
Salaman 24,162 posts
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Registered 17 years agoShe actually sent it 4 people, not 5. S
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The UK has a specific "Revenge Porn" Law:
Posting "revenge porn" images and videos on the internet is becoming a criminal offence in England and Wales.
The Criminal Justice and Courts Bill, which has a specific amendment dealing with such actions, will receive Royal Assent and become law later. Offenders face up to two years in jail.
The amendment covers images sent on social networks, including Facebook and Twitter, and those sent by text.
The first person in the UK convicted under this amendment was in August 2015.
No idea about Italy though. -
Technically speaking, she is the first offender and would herself be liable to prosecution under UK law. -
Derblington 35,161 posts
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Registered 17 years agobad09 wrote:
Yes. Or send it on to their family, you absolute twat.
@Vice.Destroyer
You say would never upload it but when people get nasty with you like that you may think differently and want to hit back. Having your ex send you a sex vid of them with someone new is incredibly cruel and hurtful thing for someone to do, can you honestly say you 100% would not upload it?
Also, the idea that 'if you don't want anyone to see it you shouldn't do it in the first place' is complete bullshit. Sex videos are made privately by and for two consenting adults. As soon as that circle is broken without consent by both of those parties, the person that broke the circle is a cunt and should be 100% held accountable for it.
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Vice.Destroyer 7,437 posts
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Registered 15 years agobad09 wrote:
My god. Yes. 100%. Uploading it to the internet is a completely disproportionate response. Personally speaking, I live in complete fear of getting a criminal record of any kind. That alone would ever stop me from doing something like that. On top of which I think that is a completely psychotic thing to do. I am not getting involved with anything even remotely close to putting somebody elses private videos online.
@Vice.Destroyer
You say would never upload it but when people get nasty with you like that you may think differently and want to hit back. Having your ex send you a sex vid of them with someone new is incredibly cruel and hurtful thing for someone to do, can you honestly say you 100% would not upload it?
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Derblington 35,161 posts
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Registered 17 years agoJesus christ. She didn't "do it to herself", you cretin. I feel sorry for anyone that every so much as slightly pisses you off. -
Mola_Ram 26,187 posts
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Registered 9 years agoYeah, 100% positively would never ever ever upload something like that without permission. There are some things that you just don't do, no matter how hurt or angry you are. -
monkman76 18,987 posts
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Registered 13 years agoDerblington wrote:
While I also absolutely would not upload it, in fact she is the one who originally broke the circle, not the uploader.
bad09 wrote:
Yes. Or send it on to their family, you absolute twat.
@Vice.Destroyer
You say would never upload it but when people get nasty with you like that you may think differently and want to hit back. Having your ex send you a sex vid of them with someone new is incredibly cruel and hurtful thing for someone to do, can you honestly say you 100% would not upload it?
Also, the idea that 'if you don't want anyone to see it you shouldn't do it in the first place' is complete bullshit. Sex videos are made privately by and for two consenting adults. As soon as that circle is broken without consent by both of those parties, the person that broke the circle is a cunt and should be 100% held accountable for it. -
Duffking 16,964 posts
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Registered 15 years agoCappy wrote:
There's a difference between putting yourself in a situation where you can be harmed if someone chooses to harm you, and harming yourself. Say if a drunk woman walks home alone at night and gets attacked, that doesn't make it her fault she got attacked, it's the fault of the person who attacked her. They make the deicision, regardless of how stupid it was to put yourself in a situation where it can happen.
It's entirely her own fault. You can't just send videos to people then expect to have control over what they do with it afterwards.
Furthermore, let's try switching the genders. Imagine a man sending women a video of him having sex, something that's definitely frowned upon. So she could easily be classified as a sexual harasser if any recipient of the clip didn't want to see that sort of material.
Lastly when there's a suicide there's a reason we don't put everybody who interacted with them under police scrutiny. It's not reasonable to expect them to be responsible for the actions of somebody who is an adult and it's very difficult to prove responsibility.
There was a recent UK story in which a girl falsely accused a seventeen year old boy of rape destroying his life and making it a living Hell, he commits suicide. The accuser is directly responsible but she has never been charged. A year later the boy's grief stricken Mother commits suicide herself. The BBC doesn't consider it news worthy.
I don't see what switching genders has to do with this at all. Is there a suggestion somewhere that she's not somehow in the wrong separately by sharing the video in the first place? In this country she'd be comitting a crime under revenge porn law, so yes, she'd be in trouble for that. That doesn't mean that when someone uploads it to the internet afterward she's to blame; it's solely the person who makes the decision to upload it to the internet without permission.
Both committed crimes, crime 2 isn't possible without crime 1 happening first, but in both cases the crime is the fault of the perpetrator.
On that last part (which seems utterly irrelevant to this but whatever) it's an obviously tricky business. You need anonymity for the accused in this country until guilt is proven certainly. However, someone not being convicted of rape doesn't automatically make the accuser a liar or a false accuser. You have to be able to prove that they maliciously made it up. You can't just start arresting every single person who reports a rape that doesn't lead to a conviction. -
Carlo 21,801 posts
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Registered 16 years agoAs she supposedly was shaming her Fiance by calling him an idiot while gobbling off some other dude (what I heard, I've not seen it), if the Fiance killed himself out of the shame she had caused him, what would everyone's positions be on this?
IFAIC, based on what I know about this, she sent the recording on, she made it, and she did it to embarrass her ex and taunt him.
It's not something that was recorded by someone else and passed on by someone else. It was, from this perspective, her trying to shame him. -
Vice.Destroyer 7,437 posts
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Registered 15 years ago@bad09 I've got an ex that dumped me on valentines. Another that dropped me after sleeping with a friend. And a few others that didn't end amicably. I think that there are some compromising pictures I still have somewhere of all of them, if I were to look. I have no appetite to do that to any of them. Our time is done. -
Derblington 35,161 posts
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Registered 17 years agomonkman76 wrote:
Please don't tell me you don't understand the difference? It doesn't change my point, which isn't exclusive to this case, in any way.
Derblington wrote:
While I also absolutely would not upload it, in fact she is the one who originally broke the circle, not the uploader.
bad09 wrote:
Yes. Or send it on to their family, you absolute twat.
@Vice.Destroyer
You say would never upload it but when people get nasty with you like that you may think differently and want to hit back. Having your ex send you a sex vid of them with someone new is incredibly cruel and hurtful thing for someone to do, can you honestly say you 100% would not upload it?
Also, the idea that 'if you don't want anyone to see it you shouldn't do it in the first place' is complete bullshit. Sex videos are made privately by and for two consenting adults. As soon as that circle is broken without consent by both of those parties, the person that broke the circle is a cunt and should be 100% held accountable for it.
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Duffking 16,964 posts
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Registered 15 years agoCarlo wrote:
From the perspective of UK law:
As she supposedly was shaming her Fiance by calling him an idiot while gobbling off some other dude (what I heard, I've not seen it), if the Fiance killed himself out of the shame she had caused him, what would everyone's positions be on this?
IFAIC, based on what I know about this, she sent the recording on, she made it, and she did it to embarrass her ex and taunt him.
It's not something that was recorded by someone else and passed on by someone else. It was, from this perspective, her trying to shame him.
She commited a crime by sharing it to 4 people.
One of those people committed a crime by uploading it to the internet.
The first thing allowed the second thing to happen, but in both cases, the person who committed the crime is solely to blame because they and they alone made the decision to commit the crime. -
Rodney 5,029 posts
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Registered 15 years agoReleasing a private videos is a really shitty thing to do without consent - but is it a reasonable to expect that doing so will drive the victim to suicide? In some situations it might be if the victim is already vulnerable but if not then can the guilty party be held responsible for the suicide?
Or to remove the question from this context, if the lady who put a cat in the wheelie bin a couple of years ago was driven to suicide by the online reaction, would the person who released the video be responsible for the suicide? Was suicide a likely consequence of their action? -
Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years agomonkman76 wrote:
This is bullshit. "No law has been broken" doesn't make things OK.
I'm not sure "who is to blame?" is the best way to react to this. As far as I can tell no law has been broken. It's a sad story with some regrettable behaviour on both sides.
It is NOT ok to post revenge porn. How can that be a difficult concept to grasp. I repeat it
It is NOT OK to post revenge porn.
See. NOT OK. -
THFourteen 54,987 posts
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Registered 16 years agoMoral of the story : DONT MAKE SEX TAPES! -
This will be nothing compared to the day the Taylor Swift/Jennifer Lawrence sex tape leaks and half the civilised world dies of dehydration.
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