Terminator 6 from James Cameron and Tim Miller Page 16

  • adamasunder12 31 Aug 2019 16:55:44 727 posts
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    anephric wrote:
    Darth_Flibble wrote:
    anephric wrote:
    Alita was his baby and that's probably just about scraped even.
    $404.9 million box office on $170 million budget
    That's break even.
    It may be disappointing but let's not change what words mean to accommodate your point.

    Edited by adamasunder12 at 16:56:11 31-08-2019
  • Your-Mother 31 Aug 2019 17:09:14 2,939 posts
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    adamasunder12 wrote:
    anephric wrote:
    Darth_Flibble wrote:
    anephric wrote:
    Alita was his baby and that's probably just about scraped even.
    $404.9 million box office on $170 million budget
    That's break even.
    It may be disappointing but let's not change what words mean to accommodate your point.
    Movie break evens are 2-3x the budget, so itís pretty accurate.
  • anephric 31 Aug 2019 17:10:29 3,389 posts
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    I'm not: by even the most generous Hollywood accounting yardstick, Alita has, at best, broke even.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/03/26/alita-battle-angel-box-office-why-400-million-worldwide-isnt-big-enough/amp/
  • anephric 31 Aug 2019 17:16:08 3,389 posts
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    Hollywood really is in a weird place at the moment, you either have to go big or go home, whereas there used to be all sorts of mid-budget stuff on a studio's roster - these have all but disappeared.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/05/is-the-mid-budget-movie-an-endangered-species/amp
  • Darth_Flibble 31 Aug 2019 17:17:11 3,600 posts
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    from wiki

    Estimates vary for the total worldwide gross the film needed in order to break even, with Fox insiders stating $350 million but outside financial publications pegging the amount at $400Ė500 million
  • adamasunder12 31 Aug 2019 19:18:55 727 posts
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    Poetic licence should just be for poetry. Quite how anyone can say break even is anything other than actually breaking even is beyond me.

    Ah well. If that's how the industry do then so be it.
  • Not-a-reviewer 31 Aug 2019 20:26:55 5,793 posts
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    Because thereís other costs, the studio also doesnít take home 100% of ticket sales. Cinema operators arenít charities.
  • thelzdking 31 Aug 2019 21:00:09 9,522 posts
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    Mola_Ram wrote:
    Avatar is a bit shit though.
    It's worse than shit, it's dull and forgettable.
  • thelzdking 31 Aug 2019 21:16:09 9,522 posts
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    And isn't the inflation-adjusted list of highest-grossing films all the more meaningful than the basic one? Or at least it would be if it weren't so hard to calculate accurately.

    Either way I like that one better as empirically non-cheesy masterpiece Jaws beats most of the Marvel shovelware.
  • adamasunder12 31 Aug 2019 22:05:48 727 posts
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    Not-a-reviewer wrote:
    Because thereís other costs, the studio also doesnít take home 100% of ticket sales. Cinema operators arenít charities.
    Fair dos, but why they can't incorporate that into the budget I don't know, whatever. If I was to do projections I would want a touch more accuracy.

    I guess it makes some sort of sense to someone.

    Edited by adamasunder12 at 22:11:59 31-08-2019
  • senso-ji 31 Aug 2019 22:12:44 9,791 posts
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    Hollywood films are also funded by venture capitalists, so even if a film break's even (no matter what the phrase means), nothing will be considered a success until the investors make back several times their input.
  • anephric 31 Aug 2019 22:14:21 3,389 posts
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    Then you couldn't do creative accountancy and claim your film never went into to profit to screw over people's backend deals.

    For years, WB claimed the first Batman film never made a profit. To be fair, they paid Nicholson so much it's probably not far from the truth.
  • adamasunder12 31 Aug 2019 22:15:39 727 posts
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    Of course! Ring a ding blag.

    I thought Batman was a smash hit, breaking records everywhere? I smell shenanigans.
  • adamasunder12 31 Aug 2019 22:16:33 727 posts
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    senso-ji wrote:
    Hollywood films are also funded by venture capitalists, so even if a film break's even (no matter what the phrase means), nothing will be considered a success until the investors make back several times their input.
    I think I'll go back to not caring about budgets and profits in films. It makes my cynicism gland swell.
  • anephric 31 Aug 2019 22:24:40 3,389 posts
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    adamasunder12 wrote:
    Of course! Ring a ding blag.

    I thought Batman was a smash hit, breaking records everywhere? I smell shenanigans.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-03-21-ca-796-story.html%3f_amp=true

    Here you go. This was an infamous blag by WB for years, it's a tax dodge basically. They "hid" the profits in production budgets for other things, including Babylon 5. All the studios do it, typical Tinseltown bullshit accountancy.

    Always ask for points in the gross, not net!

    Edited by anephric at 22:25:33 31-08-2019
  • adamasunder12 31 Aug 2019 22:33:07 727 posts
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    You had me at:

    "In the often baffling world of Hollywood accounting...."
  • stephenb 1 Sep 2019 10:30:48 3,429 posts
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    All of these discussions about what movie will make the most will be rendered moot when John Carter 2 gets released and crushes all before it.
  • Dandy11 10 Sep 2019 21:23:24 101 posts
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    https://youtu.be/LIkqYsgZbtc

    Very interesting clip right at the end 😮
  • beastmaster 10 Sep 2019 21:32:58 19,402 posts
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    Interesting indeed. He looks okay.
  • Ultrasoundwave 10 Sep 2019 22:32:27 5,899 posts
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    Fairly certain thatís not Edward Furlong in this movie.....pretty sure itís from one of his earlier films.
  • thelzdking 11 Sep 2019 00:43:55 9,522 posts
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    Skynet sent his adult son back so that he could be in the film.
  • adamasunder12 11 Sep 2019 01:07:49 727 posts
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    Or to give him his skynet name: Edward 201.168.
  • Khanivor 11 Sep 2019 01:08:10 44,105 posts
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    Ultrasoundwave wrote:
    Fairly certain thatís not Edward Furlong in this movie.....pretty sure itís from one of his earlier films.
    IMDB has him in top billed cast for this movie.
  • up_the_ante 11 Sep 2019 02:29:46 1,098 posts
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    Someone plot guessing in the comments below that John Connor video seems to think this new terminator mimics an adult John Connor (Edward Furlong) to try to kill Sarah Connor. That could be a very good guess. Would be the reverse of the old plot twist of the T800 going from enemy to saviour from T1 to T2.
  • gammonbanter 12 Sep 2019 23:49:45 1,801 posts
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    It's going to be terrible isn't it?

    All these crappy reboots makes T3 look better every year, that's insane!

    There is simply no story to tell guys, if we're lucky we might get a good scene or two, like the Arnies fighting in Genysis or maybe another classic Arnie line for the ages!
  • Lukus 13 Sep 2019 02:10:36 22,023 posts
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    It can't be worse than Genysis, surely. I think that's one of the worst films I've ever sat all the way through.
  • thelzdking 13 Sep 2019 02:26:46 9,522 posts
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    At least Genysis was an idiotic lark. Salvation was a lifeless, joyless slog.
  • Dandy11 13 Sep 2019 08:58:22 101 posts
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    gammonbanter wrote:
    It's going to be terrible isn't it?

    All these crappy reboots makes T3 look better every year, that's insane!

    There is simply no story to tell guys, if we're lucky we might get a good scene or two, like the Arnies fighting in Genysis or maybe another classic Arnie line for the ages!
    I'm a lot more confident than I was after terminator 2. James Cameron is now owner of the terminator rights again. He had a no involvement with T3, salvation or genesis.

    He is writing the story which is a massive plus. Don't think it will be as good as terminator 2 but certainly feel it will be better than the last three movies.

    It's R rated in America so it's going to be at least be a 15 or 18 rated movie. It's not going to be kid friendly genesis.
  • You-can-call-me-kal 13 Sep 2019 09:05:31 16,769 posts
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    It was also written by David S Goyer...
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