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@DanoFNG i suspect that will be true of most Scottish people. I very much doubt any pleading nonsense about unions from Westminster will make any difference either. Edited by Mr_Sleep at 12:37:35 13-03-2017 |
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DFawkes 32,785 posts
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Registered 16 years agoBlurp wrote:
Not really, as you'd have to the answer the question about whether Scotland could simply retain it's currently membership first. If it could, what the EU wants would be irrelevant. It'd already be a member.
I think the real question is; does the EU want Scotland?
Again, I can't stress enough how insanely unlikely I think it'd be for that to be the case in practice, but it also shouldn't be dismissed as one of the many, many legally plausible ways it could go. -
Eventually the UK will just be that bit of the Cotswolds where all the white old people live, scared of ever seeing a brown face or, worse still, hearing an accent -
Fab4 8,924 posts
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Registered 15 years agoMrTomFTW wrote:
I wouldn't hold your breath on that one.
Especially once Ireland becomes unified. -
FWB 56,369 posts
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Registered 20 years agoGood luck, Scotland. Hope it works out for you. So long the Union. -
The Scottish Independence Referendum was meant to be once in a lifetime too, yet here we are.
Fact of the matter is, Brexit is a huge threat to the union and threatens to undo the peace process in Ireland (as there would need to be a border)... So at this point stranger things have happened. -
nickthegun 87,711 posts
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Registered 16 years agoI don't know why English people would object to this. We, apparently, know all about withdrawing from a union of countries we think are full of cunts -
FWB 56,369 posts
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Registered 20 years agoQuite.
Oh and shut up, Labour. -
Hope it goes ahead. Get out of this shit hole whilst you can.
Flee you fools. -
To be honest the nation's pretty fucked already, may as well launch the whole thing into a wood chipper and start fresh.
Federated English States of Progressives. Basically London and friends. -
RichDC 9,177 posts
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Registered 17 years agoIf Scotland gets to leave, London should get a chance to go too!
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DFawkes 32,785 posts
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Registered 16 years agoGl3n wrote:
If it was a soft or medium Brexit, I'm not sure it'd be worth leaving and I'm not convinced there'd be enough support for independence.
To be honest the nation's pretty fucked already, may as well launch the whole thing into a wood chipper and start fresh.
But since May seems to be going for Hard Brexit, I suspect you might be right. If we're getting screwed over by leaving the EU anyway, just as well going all the way and jumping ship too. At least we'd end up with a government that actually represents Scotland, even if the country might be on fire
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Blurp 1,447 posts
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FWB 56,369 posts
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Registered 20 years agoI'd vote for London independence in a heartbeat. I would be campaigning for it and LetsGo would be barred as soon as we got it. Not that he would want to be here with all the filthy foreigners. -
DFawkes wrote:
Not to be a drama queen, but whatever enthusiasm or pride I had for the UK as an entity, died last June. Whatever happens next isn't happening to the country I felt proud to be in. The old UK wasn't perfect by any stretch, but it doesn't exist anymore regardless.
Gl3n wrote:
If it was a soft or medium Brexit, I'm not sure it'd be worth leaving and I'm not convinced there'd be enough support for independence.
To be honest the nation's pretty fucked already, may as well launch the whole thing into a wood chipper and start fresh.
But since May seems to be going for Hard Brexit, I suspect you might be right. If we're getting screwed over by leaving the EU anyway, just as well going all the way and jumping ship too. At least we'd end up with a government that actually represents Scotland, even if the country might be on fire
The tories have been gambling with 60 million people's future for their own selfish gain and can't help themselves. In other news, the sky is blue. -
Blurp wrote:
Still a better plan than anything I heard the Tories come up with for post-brexit Britain.
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FWB wrote:
And that - presuming nothing changes other than boundaries - would definitely fuck every single other part of the UK up, far far far more than Scotland leaving
I'd vote for London independence in a heartbeat. I would be campaigning for it and LetsGo would be barred as soon as we got it. Not that he would want to be here with all the filthy foreigners. -
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So in Scotland, is there really an desire to leave the UK or have people moved on from the idea of Independence after the last referendum.
If there is, do people think the the vote to leave the EU will change the minds of enough people to change the result? Is being part of the European Union enough of a reason to lose the security of being part of the United Kingdom (if there is any security left)
Lastly, if there is a referendum and Independence lose again 1) what will the trigger for another ref in future (change of majority government?), 2) who will pay the costs of another referendum as they are not cheap 3) will this sound the death knoll of the SNP as they are doing a good job for fighting for a fair Scotland but constantly demanding independence may get a little frustrating for those who voted to stay.
Obviously if voting to leave the EU changes the mind of the vast majority of Scots then i think that it should be held. I just question how much of this is due to it being a nationalist party whose main reason of being is to create an independent Scotland. -
McEwan 884 posts
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Registered 8 years agoBear in mind a lot of Indy supporters want independence from EU too and may not support a ref where membership of EU is part of the vote.
And this time - May is in charge of the question and timing. And the conditions.
If it gets far enough along to an actual vote... -
Derblington 35,161 posts
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Registered 17 years agoWith Brexit leaving the UK in an unknown position, Scotland sidestepping that, going independent and forging ahead with their own unknown may be more appealing purely because they can argue for their own needs. -
Ok Lastly lastly...Do people really think that the tory gvnmt will vote for another referendum?
I truly believe they will attempt to block any attempt at indyref2. They will never hold scotland in a GE so pissing them off will not bother them too much (which i guess is the reason IndyRef 2: the re-refferning is a thing) -
senso-ji 10,271 posts
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Registered 13 years agoI'd tread carefully if I was Sturgeon. Nothing wrong with holding an independence vote, but they need to check their status with the EU before and after A50 is triggered.
Depending on the circumstances, the EU member states may get a vote to decide if Scotland can stay, and Spain have been very openly against it. Instead of calling for a referendum, Sturgeon needs to be part of the Brexit negotiations and get as many assurances for Scotland as she can first, then weigh up whether a referendum will be worth it. -
McEwan 884 posts
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Registered 8 years ago@Derblington Arguing against the abyss. Don't like being controlled by Westminster? How much influence will you have in the EU? -
As a miserable city dwelling midlander turned northerner, I'd also vote for London to be independent.
You can keep the Queen, all the corrupt bankers, bent MPs, toffs, foreign property magnates, air pollution, air of superiority and Australian bar staff.
Where do I sign? -
MH-RobJenx wrote:
Isn't London mostly Labour?
As a miserable city dwelling midlander turned northerner, I'd also vote for London to be independent.
You can keep the Queen, all the corrupt bankers, bent MPs, toffs, foreign property magnates, air pollution, air of superiority and Australian bar staff.
Where do I sign? -
Derblington 35,161 posts
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Registered 17 years agoI won't have any, I'm English (and living in the EU).
But it's not about influence in the EU necessarily, it's about not being lumped in with whatever the UK is left with.
When so many are championing independence from the EU I don't really see how we can sit and say it's daft for Scotland to leave the UK. If I was Socttish I'd vote to leave it. They clearly don't share the same interests so let them get on with it.
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senso-ji wrote:
All countries will vote and it only takes one veto. And yes, Spain will absolutley be voting against because of Catalonia.
I'd tread carefully if I was Sturgeon. Nothing wrong with holding an independence vote, but they need to check their status with the EU before and after A50 is triggered.
Depending on the circumstances, the EU member states may get a vote to decide if Scotland can stay, and Spain have been very openly against it. Instead of calling for a referendum, Sturgeon needs to be part of the Brexit negotiations and get as many assurances for Scotland as she can first, then weigh up whether a referendum will be worth it.
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