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McEwan 884 posts
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Blurp wrote:
It's a veritable fecal mega-tsunami.
But if EU membership isn't guaranteed, it's two shitstorms on top of each other.
All seems a bit "cutting of your nose to spite your face" to me. A more sensible option would be to re-evaluate after Brexit and then if the desire to rejoin the EU (after making clear what hardships the newly independent country will need to face) and exit the union is that of the majority then go for it. The provocative desire for indyref2 right now before any of that happens is pure theatrics by Sturgeon to cast the Tories/English as pantomime villains and turn neighbours against each other. -
DaM 17,729 posts
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Registered 20 years agoneptunium wrote:
Really? Don't recall much of that. Got any figures in the rise in attacks against English people in Scotland? Like the sustained rise in racist attacks since the EU ref? Most of my English friends voted Yes last time (I didn't).
Sorry, I have to roll my eyes at the "less racist" comment - a lot of English folk were treated pretty poorly during the last indyref for the crime of being English. -
DaM 17,729 posts
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Registered 20 years agoNo, the rush for a referendum soon is so that the EU nationals in Scotland can still vote. If they voted Yes it wouldn't carry it, but would push it in the Yes direction. -
@DaM Just anecdotal evidence (update: and nothing that supports attacks, just bitter nasty comments which is why I initially said in this thread that there are wounds yet to heal from the last one). Are your English friends all racists? .gif)
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DaM wrote:
Don't buy it - it's a provocation by Sturgeon - I think she'd be shitting her pants if May called her bluff. Scotland nor the Union could deal with two such seismic shifts at once.
No, the rush for a referendum soon is so that the EU nationals in Scotland can still vote. -
DFawkes 32,785 posts
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Registered 16 years agoDaM wrote:
Also there's a slim (near non-existent) chance we could retain EU membership as the rest of the UK leaves, which would definitely not be possible if we get removed as a part of the UK first.
No, the rush for a referendum soon is so that the EU nationals in Scotland can still vote. If they voted Yes it wouldn't carry it, but would push it in the Yes direction. -
twelveways 7,131 posts
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Registered 15 years agoEnglish wasn't a race last time I checked -
samharper 1,124 posts
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Registered 9 years ago@McEwan As am I. He's doing some good stuff and is very responsive to mail. Thompson is doing neither. -
CHPxtreme 413 posts
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Registered 7 years agoneptunium wrote:
While the vote was a knife edge, the result is 100% out with no acknowledgement from those in control that the vote was close. It was "the will of the British People" as we are constantly reminded.
DaM wrote:
I don't get this position. This was a knife's edge, statistically. Near enough half the voters wanted in, half of them wanted out.
We are ashamed to be British.
Rusty_M wrote:
Independence is just a different shitstorm. If there were a referendum today and the Yes's won it, Scotland would be out of the union and out of the EU and would need to do negotiation with the union as well as parallel negotiations with the EU.
Now we want as firmly away from the Brexit shitstorm as possible.
As things stand, Scotland's input into "negotiations" with the EU is minimal to non-existant. Given a choice between negotiating with two parties or with no party, I'd choose the one that puts me at both negotiating tables rather than wait in the hallway until I'm told what's to happen to me. It's my future, and some input into the result would be nice. -
@CHPxtreme England, Wales, Norn Iron and Gibraltar don't get a seat at the bargaining table, either. It's collective bargaining, just like we are all members of a union or something.... -
@jasonkane if you're going to quote someone, please make sure you attribute it to the right poster.... -
Dougs 100,414 posts
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Registered 18 years agoIt's not just that the nations don't get a seat at the Brexit negotiating table, it's that some 16m people's views are ignored by pursuing a hard Brexit. Plus some Leave voters who don't like the way it's going. All because of May's pander to the right wing press and disdain for the ECJ (which has rightly acted as a check and balance on some of her more authoritarian ideas).
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CHPxtreme 413 posts
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Registered 7 years agoneptunium wrote:
Sure. But Gibraltar, Northern Ireland or Wales do not have the opportunity that Scotland has/may have. If there's a chance that Scotland could significantly and directly influence its future by having another vote, who would begrudge them.
@CHPxtreme England, Wales, Norn Iron and Gibraltar don't get a seat at the bargaining table, either. It's collective bargaining, just like we are all members of a union or something....
I also think that the UK has demonstrated quite clearly that a union can work as long as those involved want it to, but can also be terminated when the circumstances are suitable. Perhaps the circumstances are suitable for Scotland.
In any case May will probably decide to block the demands. Hurrah for the people taking back control! -
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Armoured_Bear 31,233 posts
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Just add chups and you've got yoursel' a Buckie supper -
McEwan 884 posts
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Registered 8 years agoDo we actually know what the Indy ref will be about? It's not about rejoining the EU...is it? -
simpleexplodingmaybe 19,992 posts
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Registered 6 years agoI'm sure the Scottish Secretary and the government saying no to the vote in the Scottish Parliament will slow the nationalist demands . . . -
Gibroon 2,658 posts
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Registered 17 years agoMeh, really think it's too early for another referendum,. Should have given it another ten years under the right wing monopoly of London, dealt with as best we can, the shitty stick given to Scotland after Brexit, then call for another referendum when we are all in chains and things can't get any worse.
It will be interesting what defence the Westminster cronies have in staying together. Can't use Europe anymore and the last "pledge" by the 3 goons that gave it now have about as much political clout as my left nipple. -
simpleexplodingmaybe 19,992 posts
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Registered 6 years agoSNP have to try and go as early as possible before people get disgruntled with how they run the schools and hospitals. The general fatigue of governing could cost them the referendum if it's left too long. -
Gibroon 2,658 posts
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Registered 17 years ago@simpleexplodingmaybe
Can you give me an example of a county in England that are running schools and hospitals well? -
DaM 17,729 posts
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Registered 20 years agoGibroon wrote:
And Gordon Broon's already played his Vow card to much derision.
Meh, really think it's too early for another referendum,. Should have given it another ten years under the right wing monopoly of London, dealt with as best we can, the shitty stick given to Scotland after Brexit, then call for another referendum when we are all in chains and things can't get any worse.
It will be interesting what defence the Westminster cronies have in staying together. Can't use Europe anymore and the last "pledge" by the 3 goons that gave it now have about as much political clout as my left nipple.
It's up to May to win it, showing that the deal we get will benefit Scotland ( and the rest of the UK), and that Brexit will be everything she is promising.
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simpleexplodingmaybe 19,992 posts
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Registered 6 years agoThe point is that all incumbents shed votes the longer they remain in power. It doesn't really matter how good their record is people will always tire and grumble. Since the vote was pretty close last time then the chances are any slip in SNP hegemony risks negative impact on a second Indy Ref -
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RichieTenenbaum 2,774 posts
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Registered 11 years agoI generally think Scotland leaving is a bad idea for us and them. For many of the same reasons i voted remain.
But if I were Scottish I would be very tempted to vote yes. Surely away from Tory influence they would do well. And if they did join the EU they'd be very well placed to suck a lot of buisiness away from the EU. -
neptunium wrote:
Hilarious.
@CHPxtreme England, Wales, Norn Iron and Gibraltar don't get a seat at the bargaining table, either. It's collective bargaining, just like we are all members of a union or something....
Saying 'it was a UK vote and Scotland voted to stay in the UK', which I have heard an awful lot, conveniently glosses over the fact that Scotland was repeatedly told the only way to stay in the EU was to vote No.
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