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McEwan 884 posts
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DFawkes 32,785 posts
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Registered 16 years agoGraxlar_v2 wrote:
There is, and was, a desire not to leave the EU. On the balance of probabilities, independence looked like the most likely way at the time to risk that position. It was one of the main pillars of the campaign to remain as a part of the UK, and got pushed fairly heavily.
So in Scotland, is there really an desire to leave the UK or have people moved on from the idea of Independence after the last referendum.
As such, where we are now has changed things. Even if it's unlikely, leaving is still the more probable way to remain in the EU or be able to eventually re-apply in some form. I do think this might be enough to change the result. Do remember they'd only have to swing around 200,000 votes to alter the result.
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CHPxtreme 413 posts
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Registered 7 years agoBlurp wrote:
About as hilarious as using the threat of expulsion from the EU as some sort of incentive to remain within the UK, and then forcing Scotland out anyway.
I think it would be hilarious if Scotland left the UK because they don't want to leave the EU, and then not be allowed to join the EU because of their deficit. -
MH-RobJenx wrote:
On the cave wall you'll have to inhabit if that comes true
As a miserable city dwelling midlander turned northerner, I'd also vote for London to be independent.
You can keep the Queen, all the corrupt bankers, bent MPs, toffs, foreign property magnates, air pollution, air of superiority and Australian bar staff.
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@DFawkes Out of curiosity, and you can decline to answer (call me swear words) if you would like.
I am not trying to point prove but merely understand the situation from moderate (intelligent) scots but would you vote to leave the UK to stay in the EU?
edit: come across slightly wrong i meant moderate and intelligent not moderately intelligent. Two very different people
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Blurp 1,447 posts
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Registered 5 years agoCHPxtreme wrote:
Oh, I didn't realise the EU ref was for Scotland only, I thought it was a UK vote. One of many incentives.
Blurp wrote:
About as hilarious as using the threat of expulsion from the EU as some sort of incentive to remain within the UK, and then forcing Scotland out anyway.
I think it would be hilarious if Scotland left the UK because they don't want to leave the EU, and then not be allowed to join the EU because of their deficit. -
senso-ji 10,271 posts
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Registered 13 years ago@Mfolf
I agree, which is why Sturgeon needs to carefully watch what happens in the A50 negotiations before making her IndyRef2 proposal public. Now that she's shown her hand, May and the rest of them could present a really bad deal for Scotland post Brexit, including complete withdrawal from the EU for all member states, meaning anyone who wants back in will need to perform full negotiations. -
Blurp 1,447 posts
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Registered 5 years agoMfolf wrote:
That is the only way in. Can you imagine the austerity levels? It would be like Greece.
Blurp wrote:
it really is not as simple as this. If nothing else, continunuity of membership (with the understanding that leverage walks away with rUK and so will various carve outs and assurances) is one thing being floated. We are in completely uncharted territory here. And I'm including A50 in that.
senso-ji wrote:
All countries will vote and it only takes one veto. And yes, Spain will absolutley be voting against because of Catalonia.
I'd tread carefully if I was Sturgeon. Nothing wrong with holding an independence vote, but they need to check their status with the EU before and after A50 is triggered.
Depending on the circumstances, the EU member states may get a vote to decide if Scotland can stay, and Spain have been very openly against it. Instead of calling for a referendum, Sturgeon needs to be part of the Brexit negotiations and get as many assurances for Scotland as she can first, then weigh up whether a referendum will be worth it. -
General_Martok 2,490 posts
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Blurp wrote:
All economics aside, they're politically poles apart now and it's only getting wider, as the tories veer ever more right.
Why the fuck would Scotland want to leave their closest union just so they can (attempt and probably fail to) join another one? I hate nationalism. -
challenge_hanukkah 14,394 posts
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Registered 8 years agoMcEwan wrote:
But surely they'd be at least happy to swallow it in the short term and campaign to leave the EU after seceding from the union? One battle at a time and all that.
Bear in mind a lot of Indy supporters want independence from EU too and may not support a ref where membership of EU is part of the vote.
And this time - May is in charge of the question and timing. And the conditions.
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brokenkey 11,128 posts
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Registered 20 years agoLeaving the UK and staying in the EU sounds like a great plan. the rUK is, post brexit "open for business", so will be looking for great trading deals with as many and any partner they can find. IndiScotland looks like a great first step. -
challenge_hanukkah 14,394 posts
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Registered 8 years agoGeneral_Martok wrote:
chu' tlhIngan overlords jIH wa' yI'el.
The Klingon Empire is always an option... -
McEwan 884 posts
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Registered 8 years agoConfirmed by EU - Indy Scotland would have to leave and reapply.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scottish-eu-independence-referendum-scotland-join-queue-membership-apply-a7627201.html -
Dougs 100,414 posts
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Registered 18 years agoSo given it is uncharted territory, it's entirely possible that he's right and you're wrong....I would be amazed if the EU let iScot stay without all the usual hoops. There may be some kind of fast track process but that's only going to happen post UK-exit, incl Scotland imo. -
Blurp 1,447 posts
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urban 13,148 posts
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Registered 17 years ago@Blurp Pretty evident you have an agenda similar to LetsGo.
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Blurp 1,447 posts
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Registered 5 years agourban wrote:
I have no agenda. I strongly want the union to stay together.
@Blurp Pretty evident you have an agenda similar to LetsGo.
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@urban Does that not say... ignore?
Because Blurp is being a bit of an ijit. -
Blurp wrote:
Thats an agenda dumbass.
urban wrote:
I have no agenda. I strongly want the union to stay together.
@Blurp Pretty evident you have an agenda similar to LetsGo.
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Blurp 1,447 posts
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Registered 5 years agoGraxlar_v2 wrote:
Why, because my view differs from yours?
@urban Does that not say... ignore?
Because Blurp is being a bit of an ijit. -
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Goban 10,121 posts
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I think EU would have a lot to gain by letting Scotland stay or fast-tracking them, politically if not materially.
The Catalonia comparison doesn't make much sense to me either.
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Blurp wrote:
My view doesn't differ from yours - UK for me is better than no UK. But then it isn't our decision.
Graxlar_v2 wrote:
Why, because my view differs from yours?
@urban Does that not say... ignore?
Because Blurp is being a bit of an ijit.
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Graxlar_v2 wrote:
For one, I'd say you're looking at the wrong person if you want intelligent conversation
I am not trying to point prove but merely understand the situation from moderate (intelligent) scots but would you vote to leave the UK to stay in the EU?
Right now, I'm not sure. I'd have to weight up the pros and cons over the coming months. On the face of it, the business I work for doesn't directly require anything from the UK government, but does thrive on certain EU benefits like the free movement of labour. However, the economic upheaval becoming independent would likely cause might result in a drop in certain bits of funding once the Scottish Government takes over certain things, and even outside the EU we might end up with labour movement easy enough that impact ends up being minimal.
I wouldn't want to vote either way without stepping back and looking at it properly. Or I could hit the day we vote and vote Yes because screw the Tories.
Edited by DFawkes at 14:10:26 13-03-2017
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Last week actually. 
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