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Armoured_Bear 31,233 posts
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Registered 10 years agoTolandsRancour wrote:
You're clearly one of the M$ sheeple.
Anyone that uses either of these 'Xbots/PsTards' relinquishes any form of credibility... -
Armoured_Bear 31,233 posts
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Registered 10 years agoH1ggyLTD wrote:
Your opinion is shite.
Armoured_Bear wrote:
Yeah.
monkman76 wrote:
Super Mario Galaxy games are overrated? Seriously?
@Armoured_Bear Almost all marquee Mario and Zelda games. In my un-nostalgia-tainted subjective opinion of course.
The 2D games a better, imo. -
nickthegun 87,711 posts
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Registered 16 years agoAll of the 3d Zelda's are overrated. Skyward Sword is legit the most boring 'AAA' game I've ever played. -
nickthegun wrote:
This is true
Skyward Sword is legit the most boring 'AAA' game I've ever played. -
Rogueywon 12,387 posts
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Registered 16 years agoMy point was that the subjective hatred Nintendo get is based on the fact that everyone knows that Nintendo have done more for console gaming than any other company.
I'm not sure this is really true, and it's attitudes like this which, I think, sometimes provoke a more emotional anti-Nintendo response.
To be sure, Nintendo were instrumental in getting the console market rolling again, after Atari drove it off a cliff. But they're not the only company to have made a contribution on that scale. Atari, let's not forget, helped to get the whole ball rolling to begin with. Sony's Playstation was every bit as significant as the NES. It attracted a huge new mainstream audience who hadn't been gamers before and, in the West at least, broke gaming out of the stereotype that it was for kids and nerds. Even Microsoft, though not rivalling the importance of Atari, Nintendo or Sony in the console space, did a big chunk of work in breaking down regional barriers between developers and getting rid of the stereotype that "Western developers make PC games, Japanese ones make console games".
And in other ways, Nintendo have been pretty regressive. They've long had an extremely paternalist view of the industry and of the regions they serve (which can stray on occasion into crude stereotyping). While Sony and Microsoft have been all about broadening tastes and supporting moves towards international releases, Nintendo were still trying as late as the launch of the Wii-U to hold each region in its own ghetto, via frankly inexplicable decisions over which titles to localise and how to localise them. They were the last of the home console platform owners to abandon region-locking (long after everybody else had realised it was a dead end) and their largest installed-base current hardware, the 3DS, remains locked.
They've also got arguably the worst track record of the big-three on allowing "fair use" of their IP. Understand, I'm not talking here about fan-projects which do straight rip-offs/clones of their games (and we do seem to get a story per week or so on EG about those). But I'm talking about fan-art, parody, all the other things that generally float around the entertainment industry. The modern Nintendo isn't as bad as it has been in the past in that respect (they've stopped suing people with "adult" professions for just mentioning their games on a blog), but they nevertheless remain highly illiberal.
In other respects as well, they remain resolutely less pro-consumer than their competitors. Their die-hard fans defend this by saying they "tread their own path", but that isn't really an excuse for taking so long to implement a proper account system, requiring virtual-console "legacy" games to be re-purchased for multiple systems, taking forever to add basic "friend list" features and so on. Nor for hyping up anticipated third-party support for their systems at launch when then fails to materialise. Sony and MS have many, many flaws, but they do behave in a manner which responds to competitive pressure (see MS's U-turn on its always-online policy), which is always a good thing for consumers.
None of the above makes Nintendo the spawn of the devil. God knows MS and Sony have a litany of sins of their own. MS are steadily tightening the screws in the Windows ecosystem and seem dead-set on undermining the fundamental strengths of the PC platform, at the same time as pushing huge quantities of advertising on both consoles and PC at the OS level. Sony have a history which includes getting music CDs to install rootkits on PCs. But neither of those tends to expect or get the kind of fawning online treatment that Nintendo does. A lot of Nintendo fans, like the thread-originator, take any criticism of Nintendo so personally that rational discussion of the company or its output rapidly becomes impossible. Sadly, that extends at least some way into the gaming press.
Blind fanboydom in any form is self-defeating. It excuses companies from rectifying their faults and protects them from market pressure. No company, be it Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, Valve, Apple, EA, Sqwuare-Enix, Ubisoft or any other corporation is your friend. They do not have your best interests at heart. You do not owe them loyalty. That doesn't mean they won't produce products you like, but a clear-eyed, unsentimental approach is always best. -
monkman76 18,987 posts
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Registered 13 years agoThe weirder thing about that comment is that it would lead to hatred of Nintendo. -
mothercruncher 19,474 posts
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Registered 15 years agoFortunately, if you want to really berate Nintendo, there's a console for that- it's called the WiiU. -
Armoured_Bear 31,233 posts
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Registered 10 years agomothercruncher wrote:
I think the virtualboy has it licked.
Fortunately, if you want to really berate Nintendo, there's a console for that- it's called the WiiU. -
My hatred is entirely rational - they're fucking idiots. -
cybopob 25 posts
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Registered 11 years ago@Rogueywon love your comment -
DFawkes 32,785 posts
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Registered 16 years agoIt's the Internet, there'll always be rational hate and irrational hate for everything and everyone. Sure, it tips far more towards irrational on the Internet, but if that makes the hater happy and doesn't hurt anyone, so be it .gif)
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@Rogueywon I find your lack of love for Sega offputting 
How have MS done more for gaming then Sega? -
RobTheBuilder 6,976 posts
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Registered 17 years agoBut there's a difference between personally not enjoying something, and repeatedly and aggressively criticising every single thing a company does.
I didn't like Wind Waker either, I've never played a 3d Zelda for more than a few hours until BotW... But that doesn't mean I go slagging off the series or the Consoles like they offended me. -
nickthegun wrote:
Very well put old bean.
Theres a while generation of gamers who have grown up with Nintendo being shit.
They haven't grown up with the NES, SNES or N64, they have come up with a company who continually do stupid things, over promise and consistently fail to deliver, so without the benefit of the rose tinted glasses the middle aged bedwetters wear, which see threads like this created and shit like Mario Run getting an 'essential', they see Nintendo for what they are.
Not a company made of magic unicorns but a regressive bunch of twats who's sole saving grace is managing to plop out a stone cold classic every six months.
But, more generally, people give Nintendo grief because it's an easy button to press because it leads to threads like this and ecosse going crazy.
I will add that people feel they hold their games to ransom by making you buy all their hardware which always ends up unsupported.
If they were solely third party and they maintained their quality of output then their reputation would skyrocket.
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Armoured_Bear 31,233 posts
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Registered 10 years agoRobTheBuilder wrote:
Fanboys are dicks.
But there's a difference between personally not enjoying something, and repeatedly and aggressively criticising every single thing a company does.
I didn't like Wind Waker either, I've never played a 3d Zelda for more than a few hours until BotW... But that doesn't mean I go slagging off the series or the Consoles like they offended me.
So Rob, are you really a builder? -
Rogueywon 12,387 posts
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Registered 16 years ago@Graxlar_v2 I tried to think of something for Sega, not least because while I was always a PC gamer in my youth, I nevertheless vaguely trended towards Sega over Nintendo when put on the spot about the console wars. Plus I did own a Game Gear.
But I couldn't really come up with a lasting contribution to the industry from Sega, other than "putting a bit of competitive pressure on Nintendo in the SNES/Megadrive era" and "proving object lessons to the rest of industry on what-not-to-do from the launch of the MegaCD onwards". -
Armoured_Bear 31,233 posts
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Registered 10 years agoJiveHound wrote:
I don't go crazy, I was having a laugh (obviously), poor old Nick will whinge and shit up the threads then buy a Switch anyway and secretly hate himself for his weakness.
nickthegun wrote:
Very well put old bean.
Theres a while generation of gamers who have grown up with Nintendo being shit.
They haven't grown up with the NES, SNES or N64, they have come up with a company who continually do stupid things, over promise and consistently fail to deliver, so without the benefit of the rose tinted glasses the middle aged bedwetters wear, which see threads like this created and shit like Mario Run getting an 'essential', they see Nintendo for what they are.
Not a company made of magic unicorns but a regressive bunch of twats who's sole saving grace is managing to plop out a stone cold classic every six months.
But, more generally, people give Nintendo grief because it's an easy button to press because it leads to threads like this and ecosse going crazy. -
@Armoured_Bear But that's the thing, he knows that by releasing said classic every six months any video game fan ends up picking a Nintendo thing after a while begrudgingly.
It's getting the grudge out of the occasion that will do Nintendo wonders among the community.
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@Rogueywon Casting shade on Sega' s arcade influence there.
They're also damn good publishers now. They may shit out Sonic every year but they release some great shit now. -
urban 13,148 posts
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Registered 17 years agoThis thread is gold.
Why so serious? -
JiveHound wrote:
General console problem, surely. Deeply irresposibly, too, how we all buy the same hardware several times for the odd exclusive.
I will add that people feel they hold their games to ransom by making you buy all their hardware which always ends up unsupported.
Fuck capitalism, etc. -
Surely a PC plus a Nintendo system gives you the most options gaming wise? You can play almost everything that way although it will cost a lot. -
DangerousDave_87 7,074 posts
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Registered 5 years agoI tend to buy Nintendo hardware for its quirks as much as the exclusive software. I didn't much care for Nintendo during the tail end of the N64 era and the GameCube/GBA era. It was the DS and Wii remote that got me onboard again. -
Rogueywon 12,387 posts
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Registered 16 years ago@JiveHound Oh yeah, Sega's accomplishment in other spheres are massive. I was focussing on their role as a console manufacturer, however, where it was more difficult to think of lasting achievements (even though I quite liked a lot of their games and would take Megadrive-era Sonic over Mario any day). -
Armoured_Bear 31,233 posts
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Registered 10 years agorice_sandwich wrote:
It does but you miss out on those sweet PS4 exclusives which aren't to be sniffed at.
Surely a PC plus a Nintendo system gives you the most options gaming wise? You can play almost everything that way although it will cost a lot. -
crisotunity 185 posts
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Registered 16 years agoFor some of us of a certain vintage, Nintendo will always be tainted by their behaviour during the early 1990s moral panic around video games ("we are a family company - Sega are the devil, out to corrupt your kids"). It's amazing how perceptions stick and I think Nintendo has helped to hand-craft the stick they are getting beaten with.
There is a short article here.
Or if you want to experience the revolting sight of politicians conducting a witch hunt against something they barely understand, here is the 1993 Senate Committee Hearings on Violence In Video Games.
I still bought a Switch. -
JiveHound wrote:
Nintendo publish far more frequently "classics" than any other publisher, the main problem is the lack of 3rd party stuff for those that only want one console which is never going to change.
@Armoured_Bear But that's the thing, he knows that by releasing said classic every six months any video game fan ends up picking a Nintendo thing after a while begrudgingly.
It's getting the grudge out of the occasion that will do Nintendo wonders among the community.
Switch *should* end up with loads of indie support and a lot more frequent 1st party releases from 2018 onwards when they finally give up on the 3DS.
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