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Deleted user 2 August 2017 20:17:31

StrayBezza wrote:

SYS64738 wrote:

Tricky wrote:
@StrayBezza Yeah maybe if you want to remortgage your house. Great vehicle but fuck me are they expensive.
My brother has one. Incidentally a lemon (latest issue is blown turbo, 6k worth of damage, given it was bought second hand he'll have to pay that out of his own pocket) but yeah they're expensive. Also I wouldn't touch a VW diesel at this stage (and who buys these with a petrol engine).
Any car can be a lemon potentially but ouch that's painful. Been lucky with mine I guess but in general they are bulletproof (04 onwards mainly) it's crucial to stick to VW parts even though they are expensive.

Very true and I think he was just unlucky. On top of that it turned out the car had an accident before but it's a legal grey area about who withheld the information - previous private seller or the dealer they got it from. Also my bro has to manage fleet cars and had chats with VW engineers who basically admitted that the more recent turbo engines are charged very (too?) highly so failures are more likely. He spent about 25k euros on it so shouldn't really happen Tbh as its only a few years old.

@ DrStrangelove I admit some look OK but again but I grow tired of them rather quickly. The latest Clio is a nice drive but I just feel their use by date is never far away. Probably OK if you just need a banger though.

Deleted user 2 August 2017 23:06:05

@SYS64738

I've heard quite a bit of negativity about VW. Broken turbos, broken camshaft chains etc. Audi is VW, Mercedes traditionally battles with corrosion. Personally, I'd go for BMW in the premium league and Ford/Opel/Vauxhall in the value range--and of course your usual Japanese suspects, Toyota, Mazda etc.

Nasty 2 Aug 2017 23:56:15 4,840 posts
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I have a Renault for my 5 kids. Don't buy a Renault.

If I had my pick of the bunch I'd get a new model Galaxy. Even if I only had three kids, having that extra space in the back wins every time.

Deleted user 3 August 2017 08:27:43

@DrStrangelove Yeah that sounds about right. Also Korean cars seem popular these days, not sure what their longevity is like as they're relatively recent additions to the market.

Fords have come a long way over the decades. My parents were loyal Ford customers, I remember our Escorts Mk2 & Mk3 & Sierra being rather unpleasant in most aspects, but so much has changed since.

Personally I'm very happy with my 320d touring (2013 model bought last year) - great build & drive, very frugal in terms of fuel consumption (a tank can easily get me over 1,000km if it's mostly motorway, otherwise it averages about 800-900km incl. short distance city driving) and the extra utility/flexiblity of being an estate is great (it's not that big a car though so only suited for families with 1-2 children at best esp. if you have to carry lots of stuff around).

It also seems to be the only premium brand not affected by the Diesel scandal (touch wood...) apparently they're using a different solution which keeps emissions down.

Will try to drive it until it becomes uneconomical as I don't really know what engine type I'd go for next, with all the uncertainty around ICE's and EC vehicles being a niche and not very practical for long distances right now.

Deleted user 3 August 2017 19:22:19

SYS64738 wrote:

It also seems to be the only premium brand not affected by the Diesel scandal (touch wood...) apparently they're using a different solution which keeps emissions down.

I wouldn't be so sure about that, currently it looks like they're deeply involved

mal 3 Aug 2017 21:28:20 29,326 posts
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SYS64738 wrote:
@DrStrangelove Yeah that sounds about right. Also Korean cars seem popular these days, not sure what their longevity is like as they're relatively recent additions to the market.

Daewoo motors have been on the road since the mid 90s, although they got caught out by the economic downturn and went bust. I've seen Hyundai's out there almost as long, and Kia is minority owned by Hyundai. There's also SsangYong but the smallest cars they make are SUVs.

That said, I don't know anyone personally with a Korean car as far as I can recall. Some bugger must be buying them though.

Dougs 3 Aug 2017 22:22:12 100,414 posts
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I inherited a Hyundai Coupe about 10 years ago, it was ace. Handled really well and had a rock solid engine,never let me down. Electrics were shot mind you, driving around with only one window working was far from ideal...

Edited by Dougs at 22:22:38 03-08-2017

Deleted user 3 August 2017 22:26:53

@DrStrangelove

Assume you refer to the collusion scandal? That wouldn't really impact the resale value of my car, unlike issues with their emissions a la VAG. And re the latter, so far so good - no unfavourable tests yet or any indication that they cheated as well. As I said, touch wood.

@mal

Probably worded awkwardly on my part - what I meant was the Koreans have caught up significantly to the point that they can be recommended now (judging by how popular they've become over the past few years). The Daewoos (now Chevrolet isn't it) and Hyundais from 10+ years ago were way behind the rest of the competition back then.

Dougs 3 Aug 2017 22:32:36 100,414 posts
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Apart from my coupe.

Deleted user 3 August 2017 22:36:44

Of course.

Deleted user 4 August 2017 08:03:32

SYS64738 wrote:
@DrStrangelove

Assume you refer to the collusion scandal? That wouldn't really impact the resale value of my car, unlike issues with their emissions a la VAG. And re the latter, so far so good - no unfavourable tests yet or any indication that they cheated as well. As I said, touch wood.

Yes... I just doubt that you'd conspire with rival companies about manipulating emission tests if you've got nothing to hide.

Edited by DrStrangelove at 08:03:45 04-08-2017

Deleted user 4 August 2017 09:28:21

As for Korean cars, it's important to distinguish different makes. Daewoo (today rebranded as Chevrolet) has always been crap, but Hyundai/Kia have massively caught up over the last 20 years or so, resembling the rise of Japanese car makes some decades earlier--in fact, Japanese cars had also been considered cheap crap at some point. Hyundai seems a worthy rival to German and Japanese cars these days.

Anecdote: on the 2011 IAA, Volkswagen boss Martin Winterkorn examined the new i30, tested the steering wheel adjustment and annoyedly complained to one of his guys: "Nothing rattles. BMW can't do it, we can't do it. Why can this one do it?" The video went viral in Germany.

Deleted user 4 August 2017 09:35:18

Yeah I think it's a sign of getting old myself - should've said 20+ years as it's bloody 2017 and in 2007 they (Hyundais that is) were already decent.

My original point still stands, I'd rather buy Korean than French

As for BMW's cheating allegations - we'll just have to see, to be honest I do think most if not all companies has skeletons in their closets but as long as it won't affect me directly (taxation, driving bans, loss in residual value) it's something I won't get any sleepless nights over as there's not much I can do about anyways (only when it comes to replacing it and that will be a loooong time away I hope, as I'm very happy with mine so far).

oceanmotion 4 Aug 2017 09:36:35 17,358 posts
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My brother has the Ford Galaxy and it seems to work for him quite well with loads of boot space.

What I didn't realise was how long kids need child seats, not even boosters, full on child seats. They are eight and still use them.

mothercruncher 4 Aug 2017 11:13:42 19,474 posts
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1.3 meters and below needs a child seat these days. Can use a booster above that.

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