You-can-call-me-kal wrote:or in their words: It is a great adventure story, real entertainmentlmao. this will have all the intellectual value of Hook. |
WTF Hollywood.
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StarchildHypocrethes 33,974 posts
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Registered 17 years agoYou-can-call-me-kal wrote:
I would like to subscribe to this post.
What’s really interesting is that Hollywood is absolutely full of reinterpretation type films. Nobody had any problem whatsoever with the likes of O Brother Where Art Thou, Sherlock Holmes, A.I., Black Swan, The Hours, Lion King etc etc. People here will readily list films like Ran, Scarface, The Thing and Apocalypse Now as their favourite films. Again, no issue with lack of originality or laziness whatsoever.
Yet the minute the film reimagines a woman in what was a male role they’re up in arms, fiercely proclaiming they’re not sexist (no no no, of course you’re not sexist), but instead it’s all about originality and the concept not making sense. “Where is the originality???? It’s LAZY!!!!!!” they cry before shuffling off to watch the umpteenth identical Marvel movie of the year starring 99% men and one token fit female in a skintight all in one… -
You-can-call-me-kal wrote:
it's not sexist men that are moaning about this. lord of the flies isn't a particularly flattering portrayal of unchecked male society. the sexist take should be that women would get into that mess too, or worse, so it's great they're genderswapping it.
Yet the minute the film reimagines a woman in what was a male role they’re up in arms, fiercely proclaiming they’re not sexist (no no no, of course you’re not sexist), but instead it’s all about originality and the concept not making sense. “Where is the originality???? It’s LAZY!!!!!!” they cry before shuffling off to watch the umpteenth identical Marvel movie of the year starring 99% men and one token fit female in a skintight all in one…
it's an amazing self-own if the sexists are angry, though. -
You-can-call-me-kal 23,013 posts
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Registered 15 years agoNo there's clearly nothing sexist about the phrase 'vaginawashing'. -
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LittleSparra 7,926 posts
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Registered 6 years agoYou-can-call-me-kal wrote:
Preach, brother!
What’s really interesting is that Hollywood is absolutely full of reinterpretation type films. Nobody had any problem whatsoever with the likes of O Brother Where Art Thou, Sherlock Holmes, A.I., Black Swan, The Hours, Lion King etc etc. People here will readily list films like Ran, Scarface, The Thing and Apocalypse Now as their favourite films. Again, no issue with lack of originality or laziness whatsoever.
Yet the minute the film reimagines a woman in what was a male role they’re up in arms, fiercely proclaiming they’re not sexist (no no no, of course you’re not sexist), but instead it’s all about originality and the concept not making sense. “Where is the originality???? It’s LAZY!!!!!!” they cry before shuffling off to watch the umpteenth identical Marvel movie of the year starring 99% men and one token fit female in a skintight all in one…
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dankcushions wrote:
Precisely. This thread will probably contain more insight than the movie. It'll come out in 5 cinemas and we won't even notice.
or in their words:
It is a great adventure story, real entertainment
lmao. this will have all the intellectual value of Hook. -
LittleSparra 7,926 posts
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Registered 6 years agoThat said, I'd never call Lord of the Flies 'a great adventure story'. It starts off as a kinda 'adventure', but quickly loses all romanticism. Hell, it barely even starts like that, iirc - the first sentence has evocations of the occult, iirc.
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beastmaster 22,373 posts
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Registered 17 years agoIm not saying they don't put any thought into it. This could turn out really well.
I do think this is lazy though in terms of the idea for making it. Same as the remake/reboot/reimagining of Point Break, Death Wish, Scarface, Flatliners, Commando etc.
There are about 47 of these out in 2017 and a lot more to come. But what the hell, one of these may turn out ok. -
Decks 31,013 posts
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Registered 6 years agoI loved the book when I studied it at school. It was the first time my mind really opened up to symbolism and double meanings in literature.
You would need to completely rewrite it to get it to work with girls, but I could see how it would be interesting if done right. -
You-can-call-me-kal 23,013 posts
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Registered 15 years agoUncleLou wrote:
Gender is just a social construct Lou. You feel how you feel. Let's do this.
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Decks 31,013 posts
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Registered 6 years agoSee what this shit causes. A jewish/german homosexual wedding. Is this what we've become? -
It's like they predicted the future.
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RichDC 9,177 posts
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Registered 17 years ago@Decks Is it homosexual if one identifies the other as female? I'm losing track of how these things work. -
You-can-call-me-kal wrote:
I was hoping you'd say that.
UncleLou wrote:
Gender is just a social construct Lou. You feel how you feel. Let's do this.
I want to gender-swap kal and marry her. -
Decks 31,013 posts
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Registered 6 years agoI think it's only full homosexual if one person fully encases the glans of the other person with his own foreskin. Everything else is just bi-curious. -
ah, space docking. even better if you stick 'the blue danube' on whilst you do it. -
nickthegun 87,711 posts
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Registered 16 years agodankcushions wrote:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Earth_(film)
it's like making 'the handmaid's tale' starring a man.
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Fake_Blood 11,093 posts
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Registered 12 years agopk1980 wrote:
Fake_Blood wrote:
"Houston, we have a problem"
Personally I can't wait for the all female remakes of Tom Hanks movies like Saving Private Ryan and Apollo 13.
"What is it?"
"Well if you don't know I'm not going to tell you"
They could combine Apollo 13 and Lord of the Flies in one movie imo.
Lock three girls in a capsule and you'd get pandemonium.
Back in my 20's when I still had a social life it was always the case anyway, 2 girls in our clique, no problem, 3 or more, always trouble. -
Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years agoJezebel isn't happy about it
Is this the first time the resident redpillers and Jezebel are in agreement?
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Not-a-reviewer 7,686 posts
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Registered 7 years agobeastmaster wrote:
I love how people are claiming putting women in this is lazy as an idea for a 'remake' (incidentally it's an adaptation) and it's somehow easier to make and sell a film with a load of women in it.
Im not saying they don't put any thought into it. This could turn out really well.
I do think this is lazy though in terms of the idea for making it. Same as the remake/reboot/reimagining of Point Break, Death Wish, Scarface, Flatliners, Commando etc.
There are about 47 of these out in 2017 and a lot more to come. But what the hell, one of these may turn out ok.
No one ever claims yet another performance or adaptation of Shakespeare is lazy without seeing it. -
You-can-call-me-kal 23,013 posts
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Registered 15 years agobad09 wrote:
Ok some fair points. But the Hollywood remakes people bemoan are the ones that are based on relatively recent existing films, which does feel kind of lazy.
I think it's unfair to say "oh it's only because the women!" I imagine some fans of the original works you list might have had a problem, many a remake I've heard the older generations tell is shit regardless of gender. Our generation does tend to do it to, Total Recall, Evil Dead, Robocrap. We all do moan about Hollywood uninspired remakes.
There's no complaints when someone makes a film of a classic novel or play. So I don't think your comparison is fair either, and the ones I pointed out which are generally reimaginings of classic literature (like Lord of the Flies) are a more apt comparison. -
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Registered 7 years agobad09 wrote:
But that's not what they're doing at all.
You-can-call-me-kal wrote:
What’s really interesting is that Hollywood is absolutely full of reinterpretation type films. Nobody had any problem whatsoever with the likes of O Brother Where Art Thou, Sherlock Holmes, A.I., Black Swan, The Hours, Lion King etc etc. People here will readily list films like Ran, Scarface, The Thing and Apocalypse Now as their favourite films. Again, no issue with lack of originality or laziness whatsoever.
Yet the minute the film reimagines a woman in what was a male role they’re up in arms, fiercely proclaiming they’re not sexist (no no no, of course you’re not sexist), but instead it’s all about originality and the concept not making sense. “Where is the originality???? It’s LAZY!!!!!!” they cry before shuffling off to watch the umpteenth identical Marvel movie of the year starring 99% men and one token fit female in a skintight all in one…
To be honest I think it wouldn't have caused a fuss at
all if they made a film that went that route and simply nicked ideas from lord of the flies instead of "making" a new Lord of the Flies but with girls....maybe that's why they didn't...after all we are all talking about a upcoming film we may have missed were it not for the title.gif)
Who said it's the title? Who said they're just making it with women? The director had said that isn't what they're doing, they're making it fit with the change in gender. If they'd made a film similar enough to the source material that it was obviously influenced or adapted from it then they'd have been sued. -
@reviewer They are making it for Warner Bros who own the film rights to the book. -
Malek86 12,331 posts
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Registered 14 years agoYou-can-call-me-kal wrote:
Nah, everyone complained about Ben Hur too (and to be fair, they were right).
bad09 wrote:
Ok some fair points. But the Hollywood remakes people bemoan are the ones that are based on relatively recent existing films, which does feel kind of lazy.
I think it's unfair to say "oh it's only because the women!" I imagine some fans of the original works you list might have had a problem, many a remake I've heard the older generations tell is shit regardless of gender. Our generation does tend to do it to, Total Recall, Evil Dead, Robocrap. We all do moan about Hollywood uninspired remakes.
There's no complaints when someone makes a film of a classic novel or play. So I don't think your comparison is fair either, and the ones I pointed out which are generally reimaginings of classic literature (like Lord of the Flies) are a more apt comparison.
In general, I think that as long as something manages to obtain "classic" status, then any attempt to remake it is met with hostility.
Now the question is whether LOTF is really considered a classic movie or not.
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Registered 7 years agowhatfruitlivesagain wrote:
@reviewer They are making it for Warner Bros who own the film rights to the book.
Edited by reviewer at 12:09:12 01-09-2017
McGehee said the subject matter “is aggressively suspenseful, and taking the opportunity to tell it in a way it hasn’t been told before, with girls rather than boys, is that it shifts things in a way that might help people see the story anew. It breaks away from some of the conventions, the ways we think of boys and aggression. People still talk about the movie and the book from the standpoint of pure storytelling,” he said. “It is a great adventure story, real entertainment, but it has a lot of meaning embedded in it as well. We’ve gotten to think about this awhile as the rights were worked out, and we’re super eager to put pen to paper.” -
beastmaster 22,373 posts
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Registered 17 years agoreviewer wrote:
I didn't say it would be easy to make and sell. Just stated that I think that it's not exactly an inspirational idea or that was my intention. Probably would never have happened without the Ghostbusters reboot. Just bandwagon jumping. The floodgates will open now.
beastmaster wrote:
I love how people are claiming putting women in this is lazy as an idea for a 'remake' (incidentally it's an adaptation) and it's somehow easier to make and sell a film with a load of women in it.
Im not saying they don't put any thought into it. This could turn out really well.
I do think this is lazy though in terms of the idea for making it. Same as the remake/reboot/reimagining of Point Break, Death Wish, Scarface, Flatliners, Commando etc.
There are about 47 of these out in 2017 and a lot more to come. But what the hell, one of these may turn out ok.
No one ever claims yet another performance or adaptation of Shakespeare is lazy without seeing it.
I don't have a problem with gender swap. It's just your typical Hollywood approach to various trends. We've made a successful R rated superhero film. Let's do more like that! Doesn't matter what it is. If there's money to be made...
Edit: I know Ghostbusters was a flop but this will be much cheaper to make and as a result, has a better chance of success.
Edit 2: "I love how people are claiming putting women in this is lazy as an idea for a 'remake'". Isn't exactly inspirational though is it?
Edited by beastmaster at 12:17:51 01-09-2017 -
Malek86 wrote:
I would say it's perceived as a classic novel rather than movie. Neither of the films are held in particularly high regard.
Now the question is whether LOTF is really considered a classic movie or not.
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