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What's up with these all-female remakes anyway? It's like someone said "mmh, this movie had an all-male cast, time for payback". Surely it would be more interesting to have a mixed cast. At the very least, you'd be less limited in your choices of actors/actresses. Not to mention, you'll probably attract a bigger audience. Edited by Malek86 at 17:18:21 31-08-2017 |
WTF Hollywood.
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Malek86 12,331 posts
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You-can-call-me-kal 23,013 posts
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Registered 15 years agoAs said in the other thread, a story that is very pointedly about the nature of men seems a ripe and rich one to reimagine with women. It's a high concept. It's not really comparable with the Ghostbusters and Oceans 11 things (which in themselves I really have no problem with either; it's more interesting than just a straight remake). -
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Registered 17 years agoThat's exactly what it's like, yes. -
As people who are smarter than me* have pointed out, this kind of misses the point of Lord Of The Flies as it is about the boys forming a society by attempting to replicate the patriarchy they observed before being stranded leading to the very definition of toxic masculinity.
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disusedgenius 10,677 posts
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Registered 14 years agoBut... isn't that also the point?
Obviously just doing copy-pasta will be kinda dumb, but that already sounds like a more interesting flip that the Ghostbusters one.
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Registered 15 years agoAgain, that's exactly what it's interesting. Not 'missing the point'. -
Malek86 12,331 posts
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Registered 14 years agoEither way, if they find a way to not have everybody killing everybody else, I'll be disappointed. -
Skirlasvoud 4,039 posts
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Registered 11 years agorobthehermit wrote:
Have you ever shared a class with more than one popular girl in High School or Primary?
I'm not opposed in the slightest to the current trend for remakes, but some things should just be left alone. Even William Golding apparently said that the story wouldn't work with girls.
They're fucking terrifying towards each other! An entire island full of them will make the group of boys in Flies seems like cherubic boyscouts having a misunderstanding. -
Women are more awful to each other than men, this will be like Anti-Christ x 100 -
My anger with it is that again demonstrates Hollywoods being averse to pursue original projects.
Are you honestly telling me there is not an original script available in Hollywood that features an all female cast, which could have been put into production instead of this? -
Skirlasvoud 4,039 posts
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Registered 11 years agoIn fact, I don't think there's a more appropriate movie out there to be remade.
Girls stranded would face exactly the same human problems as boys. How to form a society, trying and that eventually failing, because again, human beings.
It's about society and human nature. Women are part of society and are imbued with human nature. Right now the original was just about men and left women out of the picture.
So balls yeah, let's the other half of society make a complete mess of it also! I want ALL my faith in humanity brutally smashed. Let's give ALL of us the same treatment.
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JamboWayOh 25,236 posts
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Registered 8 years agoMrTomFTW wrote:
Yeah I was wondering that, as it's quite a clever deconstruction of masculinity and what role the patriarchy takes in defining your place and worth to society. Even more so because the book is set during a war, implied to be WW2, and the boys essentially play at war. It will be interesting to see the outcome more so I will it take a look at what those points from a female perspective or pay it lip service and be some average trapped on an island teen movie?
As people who are smarter than me* have pointed out, this kind of misses the point of Lord Of The Flies as it is about the boys forming a society by attempting to replicate the patriarchy they observed before being stranded leading to the very definition of toxic masculinity.
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Malek86 12,331 posts
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Registered 14 years agowhatfruitlivesagain wrote:
That's a fallacy. You can only think so in the context of this specific announcement. Original all-women cast movies exist, and they aren't even that uncommon.
My anger with it is that again demonstrates Hollywoods being averse to pursue original projects.
Are you honestly telling me there is not an original script available in Hollywood that features an all female cast, which could have been put into production instead of this?
Edited by Malek86 at 17:36:15 31-08-2017 -
Maybe it's a Woman Woman prequel telling the story of how Themyscira was founded 
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I think we're missing the fact that William Golding once said he wrote the book about boys because 'he was once a little boy, not a little girl', and this film is being written by 2 middle aged dudes. -
@Malek86 really I can't think of any major studio movies recently that were not in the romantic comedy genre. -
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Registered 11 years agoGarlVinland wrote:
^ That does dissapoint me.
I think we're missing the fact that William Golding once said he wrote the book about boys because 'he was once a little boy, not a little girl', and this film is being written by 2 middle aged dudes.
I'd also be pissed off if this one had a happier ending than the original and they all just sit around braiding flowers and discussing which one has the prettier shoes.
Lord of the flies was brilliant horror. Gimme more!
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Skirlasvoud wrote:
It wouldn't be Lord of the Flies though. The book is a criticism of patriarchal society and destructive masculinity. I've got no problem with the premise of a group of girls stranded on an island forming their own society and rules as they try and survive, just don't call it Lord of the Flies.
robthehermit wrote:
Have you ever shared a class with more than one popular girl in High School or Primary?
I'm not opposed in the slightest to the current trend for remakes, but some things should just be left alone. Even William Golding apparently said that the story wouldn't work with girls.
They're fucking terrifying towards each other! An entire island full of them will make the group of boys in Flies seems like cherubic boyscouts having a misunderstanding. -
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Registered 6 years agoI don't get the issue of it being written by men. Empathy, imagination et al are in principle enough.
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Registered 15 years agoNice attempt to retcon your OP, but not buying it. -
Technoishmatt 5,365 posts
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Registered 7 years agoAnd he also said women were smarter than men and wouldnt have done what they did.
But... ridiculous outrage is ridiculous. Trying to put a new twist on an old story is a trick as old as the hills and can give good results.
Or: damn BBC for timewashing Sherlock Holmes and having rheir latest version take place in the 21st centruy. -
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Registered 14 years agoI think we're all missing the real talking point here anyway: Are they going to change the title to 'Lady of the Flies'? -
Malek86 12,331 posts
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Registered 14 years agoWasn't The Descent was pretty much "girls kill each other", just with extra imps and some gore? -
@JamboWayOh the surrogate character in the book represent the military, academia and the church all three are instruments which are classified as dominated by the patriarchy. -
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Registered 6 years agorobthehermit wrote:
Thematically it's entirely defensible, however, to make it about girls. The 'Lord of the Flies' tag is most likely due to lack of imagination/easy to tap into existing understandings about that scenario. 'Everyone knows the story, let's flip it on its head in some way.' Not saying that's a good approach, but it's not indefensible.
Skirlasvoud wrote:
It wouldn't be Lord of the Flies though. The book is a criticism of patriarchal society and destructive masculinity. I've got no problem with the premise of a group of girls stranded on an island forming their own society and rules as they try and survive, just don't call it Lord of the Flies.
robthehermit wrote:
Have you ever shared a class with more than one popular girl in High School or Primary?
I'm not opposed in the slightest to the current trend for remakes, but some things should just be left alone. Even William Golding apparently said that the story wouldn't work with girls.
They're fucking terrifying towards each other! An entire island full of them will make the group of boys in Flies seems like cherubic boyscouts having a misunderstanding. -
Skirlasvoud 4,039 posts
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Registered 11 years agorobthehermit wrote:
That means it's just a matter of our own perspective and how we wish to view Lord of the Flies.
Skirlasvoud wrote:
It wouldn't be Lord of the Flies though. The book is a criticism of patriarchal society and destructive masculinity. I've got no problem with the premise of a group of girls stranded on an island forming their own society and rules as they try and survive, just don't call it Lord of the Flies.
robthehermit wrote:
Have you ever shared a class with more than one popular girl in High School or Primary?
I'm not opposed in the slightest to the current trend for remakes, but some things should just be left alone. Even William Golding apparently said that the story wouldn't work with girls.
They're fucking terrifying towards each other! An entire island full of them will make the group of boys in Flies seems like cherubic boyscouts having a misunderstanding.
I see its message on humanity's tribal, often horrifying nature. I don't see how that can't apply to girls.
If you wish to very specifically reflect on it as the failing of masculinity and patriarchy alone, then I can understand. -
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@Skirlasvoud Have you read the book?
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