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  • mumtoucher 7 Sep 2017 16:23:50 527 posts
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    @wuntyphyve sounds ace, I might have to get me a copy of that.
  • You-can-call-me-kal 7 Sep 2017 16:43:51 11,505 posts
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    I still strongly suspect that the clown attacks from last year started as a PR stunt for this, that rapidly went wrong because of copycats, which resulted in them distancing themselves from it all.
  • wuntyphyve 7 Sep 2017 17:07:51 10,451 posts
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    Nah I don't see it. If it was in the last few weeks maybe but a bit early for a PR stunt no?

    Edited by wuntyphyve at 17:08:05 07-09-2017
  • You-can-call-me-kal 7 Sep 2017 17:15:14 11,505 posts
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    It was pretty much the exact time publicity for the film started. Teasers etc.

    Edited by You-can-call-me-kal at 17:16:49 07-09-2017
  • Scimarad 7 Sep 2017 17:40:20 9,434 posts
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    I don't really buy the whole 'Stephen King sucks at endings' thing. I can think of some his books that had shit endings, sure, but I can think of plenty that had goods endings as well.
  • Cadence 7 Sep 2017 20:37:01 2,161 posts
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    This book scared the absolute shit out of me when I was a teenager.
  • wuntyphyve 8 Sep 2017 02:54:00 10,451 posts
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    Well you know what I really bloody enjoyed that. In fact personally I think it was fucking brilliant.

    In my perfect world it would be an hour longer as would like to have seen certain characters and themes expanded upon a fair bit. It also wasn't particularly scary. But that may have been due to a full cinema of people constantly going to the toilet and munching popcorn.

    But. It was a magnificent ghost train ride from start to finish. The losers club were all utterly fantastic. Pennywise was awesome and I think this is the version with the best ending.

    I want to see it again.
  • Mola_Ram 8 Sep 2017 03:35:40 17,972 posts
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    I don't know that he sucks at endings (I loved the ending of the Dark Tower, even though he copped a lot of flak for it), but I think his books are often more bloated than they need to be. I read 11.22.63 recently, for example, and think it would have been great (as opposed to good) if about 500 pages had been cut out.

    It works sometimes though. Like with IT, which doesn't feel nearly as long as it actually is.

    Edited by Mola_Ram at 03:39:29 08-09-2017
  • Scimarad 8 Sep 2017 05:43:35 9,434 posts
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    @ubergine

    The good ones or the bad ones?
  • Gearskin 8 Sep 2017 07:19:39 3,155 posts
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    Imax. 6pm.
    Beep Beep.
  • Dgzter 8 Sep 2017 07:19:44 2,215 posts
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    wuntyphyve wrote:
    Well you know what I really bloody enjoyed that. In fact personally I think it was fucking brilliant.

    In my perfect world it would be an hour longer as would like to have seen certain characters and themes expanded upon a fair bit. It also wasn't particularly scary. But that may have been due to a full cinema of people constantly going to the toilet and munching popcorn.

    But. It was a magnificent ghost train ride from start to finish. The losers club were all utterly fantastic. Pennywise was awesome and I think this is the version with the best ending.

    I want to see it again.
    So happy to read this :) can't wait until this afternoon!
  • wuntyphyve 8 Sep 2017 08:13:03 10,451 posts
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    @ubergine yeah I would agree with that. I also stopped reading him. I think the last book I enjoyed of his was Insomnia. It certainly wasn't Doctor Sleep that's for sure was was made even more terrible by the fact it was tied to one of his best ever books and just pissed all over it's legacy. His dark tower series is rambling, self indulgent and so so dull that I gave up after book three. I did actually enjoy Gerald's game but again I think he ended up fucking the ending.
  • wuntyphyve 8 Sep 2017 08:14:13 10,451 posts
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    But yeah, woke up this morning still thinking how good that film was. Some utterly cracking scenes.
  • Trowel 8 Sep 2017 09:43:53 22,030 posts
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    Pretty much everything released between Insomnia and Under The Dome was terrible - Rose Madder and Duma Key were especially awful, though Wizard and Glass is one of his best (think he'd been sat on the manuscript for the core story within the story). The recent stuff is much better, though I'm not a huge fan of the Bill Hodges trilogy, and wish he'd get back to some bump in the night novels.
  • Dgzter 8 Sep 2017 10:02:09 2,215 posts
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    Trowel wrote:
    Pretty much everything released between Insomnia and Under The Dome was terrible - Rose Madder and Duma Key were especially awful
    Hmmm, whilst I'd agree that it was hardly a purple patch, I couldn't disagree more about Duma Key: to my mind that is by far the best piece he produced during that period.

    Definitely agree about the Bill Hodges stuff though; holds no interest for me at all.

    Meh, might just be me, I guess. Strangely, it's similar to how I feel about Woody Allen's movies from the mid-1990s onwards: everyone pours absolute scorn on everything post-Might Aphrodite to Midnight in Paris, whereas I fucking loved many of the most derided ones, such as Deconstructing Harry.
  • wuntyphyve 8 Sep 2017 10:26:37 10,451 posts
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    Yeah I read Duma Key actually and thought that whilst it rambled on far too long in places, it was pretty effective and downright creepy at points. Weirdly I also enjoyed Rose Madder but not read it in a long time.

    Still thinking about this film. Starting to be more critical in my head now:

    There was definitely nowhere near enough of Bowers and his gang. I was also very disappointed at the inclusion of Hockstetter as I really thought we were going to get something more akin to the books with him. For what it's worth, knowing all four boys from the books, they did fantastically with their limited screentime. The panic on Belch and Victors faces as they realised Henry and Patrick were more unhunged than they realised, and the subsequent hesitation in Victor during the chase really served their book counterparts well. Henry needed ALOT more screentime in my opinion but again, the screentime he did get, he was the character to a tee.

    There were too many "rushing towards the camera and screaming moments from Pennywise and IT's other guises", and on the whole I think the scares were piled onto the point where they became redundant.

    I wish there was more time devoted to the Losers Club bonding with each other and we could have seen a bit more interactions between them. Another half hour would have sorted that out nicely, as the scares were almost too jam packed in tight so that everytime we did see them interact, it was nearly always with IT close by.

    The rock fight... Just felt a bit off, but was still good to see.



    But there is ALOT in the book, so I can understand some elements being curtailed to fit the running time. I wonder if there will be a director's cut or extended version at some point though...

    Highlights: The cast - Losers club, Bowers gang, Pennywise. Perfection, all of them.
    The projector reel scene - fuck me I did not see that coming.
    Stan's creepy as fuck Modigliani painting coming to life.
    The Kitchener's Ironworks explosion made it in, as did the head in the tree! The ensuing dead headless boy walking down the stairs was fucking sweet.
    Lots more that I'm still digesting.


    I really do need to see it again though.

    Edited by wuntyphyve at 10:50:04 08-09-2017
  • Dgzter 8 Sep 2017 10:28:23 2,215 posts
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    I'll avoid the spoilers until after I've seen it, but I'm pretty sure I'm already going to agree with your earlier wish that it was an hour longer lol :)
  • You-can-call-me-kal 8 Sep 2017 10:47:16 11,505 posts
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    Last thing I read of his was the Shining sequel. Was pretty meh and pointless.
  • wuntyphyve 8 Sep 2017 10:52:37 10,451 posts
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    @You-can-call-me-kal Yes it was pish.
  • Tonka 8 Sep 2017 11:00:11 27,960 posts
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    You-can-call-me-kal wrote:
    I'm not too sure what people mean by 'modern horror'. It's more varied as a genre now than it's ever been.

    There was a phase a few years ago when it was all getting into really nasty gorno torture porn territory, but it seems to have come out the other side, and you've got everything now from camp teen slasher types, to really quite high brow arthouse horror. And yeah, some really nasty shit as well if that's your thing.
    Ah, that's the thing that isn't my thing. I gave up during the wave of torture-porn that kind of blanketed the genre for a while so I guess I missed horror coming out the other end.

    What I meant by modern horro was just that phase of torture porn that people were discussing in this thread. My comment might have ended up slightly out of context which might explain why it became hard to decipher.

    I guess it's wrong to point to that phase and label it as the modernist era of horror and seeing as contemporary horror seems to be varied I should have labeled it better. Has there ever been a modernist horror movement? Maybe the wave of italian horror films from the 70's?
  • You-can-call-me-kal 8 Sep 2017 11:05:49 11,505 posts
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    @Tonka

    'Modernist' is also kind of a weird term. It's been reinvented as a genre many times. The Giallo stuff could certainly be called that, but you could equally call the more thought provoking 70s stuff like The Exorcist or Rosemary's Baby a reaction to the more traditional Hammer classic style.

    I think things like Let the Right One In, It follows and A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night have really taken horror in a whole new direction recently. These are beautiful films that can hold their own against proper visual arthouse stuff. You might even include things like Black Swan and Antichrist in that bracket.
  • Tonka 8 Sep 2017 11:25:25 27,960 posts
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    @You-can-call-me-kal
    It's seems like the 70's is the modernist horror movie era then. I'm not sure what your issue with modernist is though. I guess that outside 'classic' art it's a bit up in the air since the term has just been lifted from a distinct period/style/set of events and applied to things that sort of have the same attributes but are disconnected in other ways.

    Film is too young a medium (compared to painting and sculpture) to have the same challenges and therefore lacks the stuffy high-brow setting that sparked modernism in 'classic' art. Maybe if the films you mention grow into a stuffy holier than thou dominant force there will be a return to the "Holy crap there's a satanist altar in my basement!" kind of films I prefer.
  • CrispyXUKTurbo 8 Sep 2017 11:54:15 1,469 posts
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    The Mist is already on netflix and it's awful. Looking forward to this though, nice to see someone put some effort into one of King's good stories.
  • neilka 8 Sep 2017 11:58:51 21,414 posts
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    Can't beat a good dairy chasing.
  • Decks Best Forumite, 2016 8 Sep 2017 12:02:02 14,312 posts
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    Good luck and godspeed in all your future dairy chasing endeavours Neilka. All the best. And again good luck.
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