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Catalan Independence Referendum • Page 4
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fiery_jackass 1,214 posts
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Sir_Stefansen 582 posts
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Registered 6 years agoHundreds of catalans falling to the ground after slight touch and no referee calls a penalty
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Sir_Stefansen 582 posts
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Registered 6 years agoJokes aside, even though I appreciate the city and the people of Barcelona, what they are doing is fool and risk not only for themselves (a proverb says: who is the cause of his evil must cry to himself) but for the whole of Spain and, what even more serious, for all the Europe and its project of Union.
Democracy is not waking up in the morning and voting on everything that goes through our minds. That is not democracy, it is irresponsibility. And the Catalan people, just like the British people months ago, are behaving like irresponsible. As an immature boy who thinks of stupid ideals even at the expense of his own well-being -
Armoured_Bear 31,233 posts
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Registered 10 years agoSir_Stefansen wrote:
Piss off you unfunny twat.
Jokes aside, even though I appreciate the city and the people of Barcelona, what they are doing is fool and risk not only for themselves (a proverb says: who is the cause of his evil must cry to himself) but for the whole of Spain and, what even more serious, for all the Europe and its project of Union.
Democracy is not waking up in the morning and voting on everything that goes through our minds. That is not democracy, it is irresponsibility. And the Catalan people, just like the British people months ago, are behaving like irresponsible. As an immature boy who thinks of stupid ideals even at the expense of his own well-being -
spindizzy 7,755 posts
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Registered 17 years agoLoad_2.0 wrote:
Russia wanting to interfere in European referendums to destabilise the EU (and indirectly, NATO) is preposterous?
It's not farfetched it's preposterous. -
Load_2.0 33,582 posts
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Registered 18 years agoI think there are disruptive campaigns carried by all the superpowers including the UK to influence populations.
Do I think there was a need for Russia to be involved or any genuine evidence of that in this referendum? No. -
disusedgenius 10,677 posts
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Registered 14 years agoEasiest $20 Putin has ever made. -
Skirlasvoud 4,039 posts
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Registered 11 years agoI think I might have jumped the gun with that claim. A few days later, Spain's biggest paper (el pais) started declaring Russian interference as well.
Then however you need to remember that el pais is strongly anti-independence and eager to raise a few boogeymen to slam the movement without hard evidence...
This is going to get complicated when people start claiming Russian interference when there is none...
Load_2.0 wrote:
Yeah, but don't be the crackpot who dismisses interference out of hand as proposterous either. Claiming that interruption is normal, because everyone does it, they're already in our drinking water and the aliens have infiltrated the global conspiracy is just as proposterous. What Russia did in the US, Germany and France is real. They might not have needed to be involved with Trump, le Pen or Catalonia, but that doesn't mean they aren't (helping it along). It's something to be aware of without immediately dismissing it. That's just as harmful.
I think there are disruptive campaigns carried by all the superpowers including the UK to influence populations.
Do I think there was a need for Russia to be involved or any genuine evidence of that in this referendum? No.
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Sir_Stefansen 582 posts
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Registered 6 years agoThat Russia interferes with the disintegration of the EU is a proven fact. But I'm curious to see what's happening in the secret rooms of Buckingham Palace. I would not be surprised if I found out that the May's government is funding Catalonia to strike the European Union project. The Russians have always sought in the West the "useful idiot", the person who voluntarily or unintentionally made the spokesman for the humbugs produced in Moscow. I don't want Russia has now directly an "idiot state" in the West
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Sir_Stefansen 582 posts
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Registered 6 years agoThis is the dream of the enemies of Europe!
This is the dream of our enemies, wake up!
Then, once the great European state is realized, we can also revise the distribution of provinces and create new administrations this is not a problem in that case -
Waffleaber 826 posts
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Registered 17 years agoThat's just a CK2 map. Now, who will accept a matrilineal marriage to my daughter? -
Aren’t the pro-independence Catalans still really keen on staying in the EU, much like Scotland? I’m not sure where this idea that it’s an anti-Europe thing has come from. -
LetsGoAGAIN 721 posts
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Registered 5 years agoIt’s bad news for Sturgeon and her independence fight if Catalan aren’t allowed in the EU. -
Armoured_Bear 31,233 posts
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Registered 10 years agoLetsGoAGAIN wrote:
Catalan is a nationality, not a nation and it's a completely different situation from Scotland.
It’s bad news for Sturgeon and her independence fight if Catalan aren’t allowed in the EU. -
DaM 17,729 posts
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Registered 20 years agoLetsGoAGAIN wrote:
Why? The Spanish Gov have repeatedly said they have no problem with any country that has gained independence by lawful means applying to join the EU.
It’s bad news for Sturgeon and her independence fight if Catalan aren’t allowed in the EU.
They are against countries who have just declared it off their own backs eg Kosovo, so as not to encourage their own separatist regions.
They would just veto it. -
docrob 1,795 posts
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Registered 13 years agoDaM wrote:
Yeah. A lot was made of 'Spain will veto EU membership for Scotland' three years ago. I'm pretty sure they never actually said that though.
LetsGoAGAIN wrote:
Why? The Spanish Gov have repeatedly said they have no problem with any country that has gained independence by lawful means applying to join the EU.
It’s bad news for Sturgeon and her independence fight if Catalan aren’t allowed in the EU.
They are against countries who have just declared it off their own backs eg Kosovo, so as not to encourage their own separatist regions.
They would just veto it. -
I wish people wouldn't quote so much. -
Malek86 12,331 posts
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Registered 14 years agoquokka wrote:
I'm not sure, but I think if they separated, then they would need to reapply for membership. And it's likely that Spain or someone else (France?) would veto them out.
Aren’t the pro-independence Catalans still really keen on staying in the EU, much like Scotland? I’m not sure where this idea that it’s an anti-Europe thing has come from.
So I guess, if they really want independence from Spain, they are effectively prepared to keep out of the EU too.
Wouldn't that be a bit of a mess though? I mean, they would need their own currency, introduce customs, etc... -
challenge_hanukkah 14,394 posts
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Registered 8 years agoDukeSilver wrote:
I wish people wouldn't quote so much. -
Psychotext 70,652 posts
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Registered 15 years agoSir_Stefansen wrote:
Fair play to the Portuguese. They have their shit together.
This is the dream of the enemies of Europe! -
challenge_hanukkah wrote:
Compelled against my will guv.
DukeSilver wrote:
I wish people wouldn't quote so much. -
Rogueywon 12,387 posts
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Registered 16 years agoIs Sir_Stefansen real or is he something Nigel Farage concocted as some kind of ludicrous, absurd Euro-federalist parody?
This isn't going to reflect brilliantly on me, but I found picking a side in the Brexit referendum really hard. I eventually settled on "remain" after seeing some moron on the local news saying that he was voting leave because of rising sea levels. He literally thought the country was sinking because of the actual physical weight of immigrants. I thought "nope, can't be on the same side as that".
If instead of watching the news that night I'd instead read a Sir_Stefansen post, I'm pretty sure I'd have voted "leave" on the same basis.
Edited by Rogueywon at 18:08:36 07-10-2017 -
mal 29,326 posts
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Registered 20 years agoRogueywon wrote:
It's been an open question since he first farted into a microphone and declared it his magnificent opus and put it online. If it is a persona, it's an impressive undertaking though, that's for sure.
Is Sir_Stefansen real or is he something Nigel Farage concocted as some kind of ludicrous, absurd Euro-federalist parody?
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Sir_Stefansen 582 posts
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Registered 6 years agoLetsGoAGAIN wrote:
If Catalonia becomes independent to be admitted to the EU, it must have the approval of all the nations of the EU. Spain for spite will say no.
It’s bad news for Sturgeon and her independence fight if Catalan aren’t allowed in the EU.
Instead, for independent Scotland there will be no veto on the annex because UK will no longer be part of the EU. And this is the difference with the 2014 referendum. In 2014 "remanin" won because Scotland was afraid of the UK's revenge in the EU -
Sir_Stefansen 582 posts
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Registered 6 years agoRogueywon wrote:
I could denounce you for the fact that you dared to compare me to Farage
Is Sir_Stefansen real or is he something Nigel Farage concocted as some kind of ludicrous, absurd Euro-federalist parody?
This isn't going to reflect brilliantly on me, but I found picking a side in the Brexit referendum really hard. I eventually settled on "remain" after seeing some moron on the local news saying that he was voting leave because of rising sea levels. He literally thought the country was sinking because of the actual physical weight of immigrants. I thought "nope, can't be on the same side as that".
If instead of watching the news that night I'd instead read a Sir_Stefansen post, I'm pretty sure I'd have voted "leave" on the same basis. -
VanillaLake 684 posts
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Registered 7 years ago@elstoof LOL I mean that she is a corrupt princess! -
LetsGoAGAIN 721 posts
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Registered 5 years agoArmoured_Bear wrote:
Ok, maybe I've misunderstood, I thought they wanted to be independent and then join the EU (which the EU have apparently already rejected)?
LetsGoAGAIN wrote:
Catalan is a nationality, not a nation and it's a completely different situation from Scotland.
It’s bad news for Sturgeon and her independence fight if Catalan aren’t allowed in the EU. -
elstoof 28,125 posts
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Registered 16 years agoThere’s no maybe where you and the EU are concerned -
Fortunately, it seems that this is going nowhere since banks and companies stated that they are leaving the Catalonia region and move to other areas of Spain. Banks have already done so in anticipation of further problems.
Edited by VanillaLake at 15:19:48 08-10-2017
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