Cryptocurrency (Bitcoin, Ethereum etc) Page 7

  • phAge 8 Dec 2017 10:20:33 25,487 posts
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    smoothpete wrote:
    Are y'all bailing on this before sunday?
    I'm smart enough to know that I know fuck-all about what will most likely happen when the futures go live, so think we'll just play it cool and see what happens.

    We got in at around $5000 so probably won't lose any of our initial investment, even if things go south and the price drops substantially.
  • smoothpete 8 Dec 2017 10:24:39 37,743 posts
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    I'd quit while I was ahead, then get back into it as and when it stablizes, but then again I'm risk averse generally.

    Kicking myself for not buying as much as I could afford when it was £150. Never mind, I would have only pissed it away on cake.
  • phAge 8 Dec 2017 10:27:43 25,487 posts
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    I guess you can make some sort of estimate as to the expected value of keeping or selling, by estimating how likely it is that the price will either drop drastically, rise drastically or stay the same.

    Any reason to think that futures opening will cause the price to rise drastically?
  • smoothpete 8 Dec 2017 10:32:03 37,743 posts
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    I have no fucking idea. All I know is it's high now, and short selling is a definite risk factor.
  • smoothpete 8 Dec 2017 10:35:09 37,743 posts
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    I asked http://www.ask8ball.net/ 10 times in a row and it came up "don't count on it" 8 times, and "ask later" 2 times.
  • Zeffi 8 Dec 2017 10:42:25 1,070 posts
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    I don't think anyone know how it'll react. As I said before, everyone will get either nervous and sell or they'll gain confidence in the mainstream attention that's coming and start buying like crazy.
  • sport 8 Dec 2017 10:56:37 17,064 posts
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    This really is what Stop losses are for. If you're on an exchange, set a stop loss of $13,000 for eg.

    So if it drops, you'll lose a bit but get out. If it rallies, the stop loss won't execute and you'll gain.

    The worst case scenario for you in that position, is if it drops to just below $13,000 (stop loss executes and sells), then it rallies back up straight after that.
  • AboutHalfaStevas 8 Dec 2017 11:05:31 2,765 posts
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    Which, in crypto, is a likely scenario (i.e. it dumps you out just before adding 10k to the price in about five seconds).
    Also: stop hunting is a thing (though perhaps not as big a thing here as it is in Forex).
  • phAge 8 Dec 2017 11:16:48 25,487 posts
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    My thoughts are that, while we'll probably/likely see some drastic fluctuations when the futures open, 6 or 12 months down the line the price of BTC will still be substantially higher than it is today.

    Or not. Or both/none.
  • Load_2.0 8 Dec 2017 11:25:26 33,582 posts
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    For a stop loss to work surely you still need a buyer.

    My concern is that a lot of people are in it short term, especially all the noobs flooding in now it's a news story.

    So if it dives rapidly or there is a big hack. I can see mass panic selling. If a currency can shoot up in massive percentages based purely on speculation it can drop just as fast.

    I'll stick to my frozen orange juice futures.
  • Load_2.0 8 Dec 2017 11:26:54 33,582 posts
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    Still would have been good to get in when it was being discussed here a few years back...
  • phAge 8 Dec 2017 11:31:41 25,487 posts
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    It certainly looks to be plunging right now.
  • sport 8 Dec 2017 11:36:41 17,064 posts
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    Load_2.0 wrote:
    For a stop loss to work surely you still need a buyer.

    My concern is that a lot of people are in it short term, especially all the noobs flooding in now it's a news story.

    So if it dives rapidly or there is a big hack. I can see mass panic selling. If a currency can shoot up in massive percentages based purely on speculation it can drop just as fast.

    I'll stick to my frozen orange juice futures.
    Yeah, you're right, but I know in Gdax, it's possible to also set a Limit Price just below your stop price in the same Loss Order. Technically the matching engine of the exchange should at least sell at that limit price.

    That's what I've been told - I've never actually executed one where the price say dropped by 50% or something crazy.
  • phAge 8 Dec 2017 11:47:35 25,487 posts
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    Mfolf wrote:
    Clever-sounding stuff.
    So as a holder since the $5000 mark, who doesn't need to cash out any time soon, stay or get out now?
  • chopsen 8 Dec 2017 11:48:46 21,958 posts
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    Send my your private keys and I'll have a look. Could give you an answer by...tomorrow?
  • sport 8 Dec 2017 11:51:30 17,064 posts
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    chopsen wrote:
    Send my your private keys and I'll have a look. Could give you an answer by...tomorrow?
    This guy cryptos.
  • phAge 8 Dec 2017 12:04:28 25,487 posts
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    chopsen wrote:
    Send my your private keys and I'll have a look. Could give you an answer by...tomorrow?
    I would, but a friendly chap from the BTC reddit spotted that they were faulty and has promised to fix them - free of charge!
  • phAge 8 Dec 2017 12:10:48 25,487 posts
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    Mfolf wrote:
    phAge wrote:
    Mfolf wrote:
    Clever-sounding stuff.
    So as a holder since the $5000 mark, who doesn't need to cash out any time soon, stay or get out now?
    You’re basically investing in ecopy Pokémon cards. So it really depends on how much of that is real money and how much of that is just profit from your initial investment. And ultimately how comfortable you are with a shock.
    Bought 0.5 BTC @4800 USD. Would suck to lose the 5000-ish dollars we're up at this point, but no disaster.
  • DamoVotf 8 Dec 2017 12:14:07 1,465 posts
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    No one can answer your question, a lot of us think its a bubble, but that doesn't mean it cant go a lot higher. I would say do whatever makes you happy and if you take it off then never look at bitcoin again.

    I just made an analogy to a friend:
    Bitcoin is like this year's Christmas toys that everyone wants. Except Christmas toys actually do something.
  • phAge 8 Dec 2017 12:26:15 25,487 posts
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    Yeah. We gonna HODL and see what happens in the long run.
  • Rhaegyr 8 Dec 2017 12:50:38 5,499 posts
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    How do you deal with the smug mate who's now made over £20k (who's unemployed) with his repeating "I told you so" (he didn't) comments?

    I'm so angry/jealous/mad at myself.
  • askew 8 Dec 2017 12:53:41 24,121 posts
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    Surely until he sells he's made fuck-all.
  • Load_2.0 8 Dec 2017 12:57:31 33,582 posts
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    Tell him to get a job.
  • phAge 8 Dec 2017 12:59:38 25,487 posts
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    Rhaegyr wrote:
    How do you deal with the smug mate who's now made over £20k (who's unemployed) with his repeating "I told you so" (he didn't) comments?

    I'm so angry/jealous/mad at myself.
    So he's made a couple months salary, yet is unemployed? I know who I'd rather be. Assuming you have a job, of course.

    Otherwise I'd probably have a complete meltdown.
  • Rhaegyr 8 Dec 2017 13:00:54 5,499 posts
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    You get a £10k per month salary?!
  • Rhaegyr 8 Dec 2017 13:01:41 5,499 posts
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    I do have a job hah :)

    He bought two coins when they were worth £30 each many years ago.

    Loving the "get a job/you've not earned anything until you sell" answers though - thanks ;)
  • sport 8 Dec 2017 13:04:20 17,064 posts
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    Simple, you go all in now, buy 100 coins, then wait till it hits $50k, then you sir will be King Smug!
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