ChiefGB wrote:Haha glad I'm not the only one who noticed. It's all I could look at, so bad I was completely distracted. Don't know how that made it past quality control. Anyway I thoroughly enjoyed the film. |
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Load_2.0 33,582 posts
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Derblington 35,161 posts
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Registered 17 years agoaskew wrote:
He only had to do that once.
How long can Tom Holland portray a 15 year old is my question.
In the next film he'll be 16 and the next he'll be 17
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senso-ji 10,271 posts
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Registered 13 years agoI watched this yesterday as someone who has never seen any of the other marvel films except Dr Strange. I'm not going to give it a score, as I genuinely think I'm not qualified to to do that without understanding the background first, but I'll give some of my thoughts:
You really need to have seen the previous (I assume) Thor movies to understand the first 10 mins of the film. Knowledge of the dynamic between Thor and the Assgardians/Loki would give the first scene a lot more impact.
The Vision's girlfriend's name is only mentioned once or twice, and not her superhero name. Obviously, if you've seen the previous films you'll know that detail but as a layman it was annoying not knowing who she was. Also, I'm assuming the previous films explain why a woman is having a relationship with a robot....
My missus (who's seen all the MCU films) jumped in her seat when certain characters made dramatic entrances. This made no sense to me.
Even though I've seen the Dr Strange film, I felt that it wasn't necessary to make sense of his contribution here. He only has one very simple plot device that could have just been introduced in this film, without his backstory.
Various characters who don't make an appearance get a one sentence explanation as to why they're not present. Again, I understood nothing.
I didn't care for 'Wakanda' or anybody who lived there. Obviously, seeing the Black Panther film would have helped.
Ok, those are the main points for a filthy casual movie goers' perspective. Here are some other points:
Captain America, Ironman and Spiderman are all easily the best characters in this. They command a very strong screen presence and have the best scenes and dialog imo. I especially liked the chemistry between Ironman and Spiderman - I could clearly tell it's a father/son (even though I know they're not related) relationship there.
The VFX were good, but not well directed. By that I mean, they looked expensive and polished, but most of the action scenes were just a hundred camera cuts per second with sparks and explosions. It was really hard to keep up with everything as the action never 'flowed' in a pleasing way. Also, having the film's major battle take place in an open field was lame. I know that previous films have addressed why the battles don't take place in a crowded city anymore, but it that doesn't make this one any less boring. Having it set in NYC would have given it a sense of danger and urgency I could relate to.
Lol at the battle in Scotland taking place where there were absolutely no civilians about, even when the pubs were open
I'm going to get shit for this: Mark Ruffalo can't act. Or at least, he's bad in this. There was something very off about how he delivered his lines. It's almost like his scenes were shot at different times to everyone else's, where he was delivering dialog in an empty green room, and he was then digitally composited back into the film.
Thanos was a good villain; his story and motivations were compelling enough that I actually sympathised with him at points. Maybe this wasn't the intended result, but I liked him.
I didn't like the pace of the film. Small exposition, big action; small exposition, big action, and so on. Maybe this is the MCU formula that everyone loves, however.
The 2.5 hours flew by. I think it was because they were trying to cram in as much as possible. I think if they broke it down into separate films where each character attempts to stop Thanos getting an infinity gem would have been better. They could have had Dr Strange: Infinity War, GotG: Infinity War, etc and the story could have been better.
I'm not sure what to make of the ending. 'It was what it was' is about the most generous thing I can say about it.
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askew 24,121 posts
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Registered 16 years agoDerblington wrote:
Touché. Brain not engaged!
askew wrote:
He only had to do that once.
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Derblington 35,161 posts
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Registered 17 years agoIt’s a valid concern, Holland is already out-aging the character.
As long as he gets these 3 films right they can always do a time jump for anything later.
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gamecat 1,230 posts
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Registered 15 years agosenso-ji wrote: They could have had Dr Strange: Infinity War, GotG: Infinity War, etc and the story could have been better.
That's exactly what they do in the comics, all titles go 'Infinity War' for a couple of months, doesn't really work in film though. You spread them out too thin and people will just get fed with a never ending plot, cram them in too much and your films would end up competing against each other. -
Derblington 35,161 posts
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Registered 17 years agoIt’d take years to get through just the content of that film if they did it per movie. -
Just watched it. Not read anything yet but wanted to get my thoughts down before I see what the general consensus is.
I liked it. I'm very much a fan of the Marvel films, and even found stuff to enjoy the worst of them (Iron Man 2 and Thor 2 are pretty rubbish, but still have moments in them I enjoy). So I'm quite invested in this world.
The film makers did a great job of balancing a huge cast. Compared to Age of Ultron, or even Iron Man 2, the film was easy to follow and didn't feel bloated. This was at the expense of giving all the characters that much to do, and if you weren't a fan of the films it wouldn't be clear who all the characters are. But I think this approach makes sense, admit would be far too bloated if they had attempted to give every character a big arc.
The film was the darkest marvel film thus far, but still had a good dose of Marvel humour. This did lead to a bit of mood whiplash at times.
The ending is bleak, to the point where I expect it to be partly reversed, especially as it's largely the old guard who survived.
Thanos is one the better Marvel villains. The bar is quite low but he had a real presence and felt threatening from the start.
It exceeded my expectations, so I'm happy. Is it the best film ever? No, of course not. It's not even the best Marvel film, but as some sort of culmination of ten years of world building, as a spectacle for MCU fans I really don't think it could do much more.
If your not a fan of the films there's little here that will persuade otherwise, but if any MCU fans dislike it I think they're a bit too picky.
I was quite annoyed at a few characters in this for being dicks at times. Looking at you Quill. But at least I'm invested enough to care.
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ChiefGB 13,815 posts
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Registered 10 years agoYeah I'm a grumpy bastard and I struggle to pick all that much apart in it. Also it's usually diminished returns on subsequent viewings, however this was soo action packed that I can't see it having many moments that drag. Maybe any pacing issues will show up, when it's not a first time assault to the senses. Still, I found it a great time and was very impressed how they folded all the heroes in. Maybe it would say emotionally it was a bit flat, but my inner 10 yr old did jump up and down a bit at caps entrance with great timing on the musical cue, and I'm not even a massive cap fan, just when it seemed vision and Wanda were up against it. Loki was such a given as an early sacrifice as we knew he had a stone, and they had to show what was at stake so that didn't really come as any form of shock for anyone I think. It was nice to see Thor a bit shell shocked though even if only for a minute or two -
for this kind of summer blockbuster I'd prefer this approach to what we got with Logan, which still depresses me to think back to. Brainless fun always has a place when well executed. -
ChiefGB 13,815 posts
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Registered 10 years agoYeah, that's an example (and for some reason I seem to have it with xmen films in general) it's just a bit too heavy/dull to rewatch once the story beats have played out the once. -
Read an interesting theory re: some of Starlords dickery when he fucks up the plan to get the infinity gauntlet off Thanos, that *was* what Doctor Strange intended. Attempting to steal the globe was the distraction, allowing Quill to remind Thanos of Gamora when he was mentally vulnerable. That spark of remorse suck with Thanos, as perhaps indicated in the "dream" after he snaps his fingers. Will that remorse lead him to undo some of his actions?
That sounds fairly plausible to me, in a comic book logic way.
It would be a very bold move to not reset things at all, but it seems too bold, so I fully expect all folks dustified to come back.
Still doesn't excuse Quill for being a dick in regards to having no empathy at all for Thor...
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Mola_Ram 26,187 posts
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Registered 9 years agoChiefGB wrote:
Ok, but why should it be necessary to be able to rewatch it? Heaps of movies are absolute masterpieces, but that doesn't mean I want to watch them 4 times in the space of a week.
Yeah, that's an example (and for some reason I seem to have it with xmen films in general) it's just a bit too heavy/dull to rewatch once the story beats have played out the once. -
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So ...
I think they’re setting up a swan song for the original Avengers here. A kind of pass the torch thing. All the original Avengers were left alive and I think they’re going to have to die in some way to bring back the other people.
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Lukus 24,639 posts
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Yes.
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Lukus 24,639 posts
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Registered 17 years agoAlso, I don't really believe they'll kill anyone off. At least none of the big stars, probably just War Machine or some other C List characters. There's too much money to be made from the A List.
The trouble with introducing time travel/manipulation or even perception altering abilities is that literally nothing is set in stone or can be taken as real. It's a pretty lazy plot device really.
I fully expect Ant Man to be pivotal in saving the day with some clever science stuff that takes advantage of the whole time and space thing. -
I watched it a couple of days ago. As pure spectacle it's great. It had to be taken as a culmination and not a film in its own right as you just couldn't have traditional arcs for the density of characters and events.
Some characters were fucking useless though, what was the deal with Hulk? That was never really satisfyingly explained.
Anyway, I enjoyed it. How much I come to regard it in the end will be solely down to how it gets resolved in the next one. These films have a problem with consequences and delaying resolution by a year won't remedy that with a reset.
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Lukus wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised to see at least one of the A-list dying in !not-Infinity War Part 2 (they can say it's not part 2, but it clearly is). Their contracts are coming to and end, so at the least I'd expect them to retire.
Also, I don't really believe they'll kill anyone off. At least none of the big stars, probably just War Machine or some other C List characters. There's too much money to be made from the A List.
Of those who died in IW, I think Gamora *might* be properly dead. Or might not. Given that Saldana is going to be quite busy with that Avatar stuff, real life scheduling might have a part to say here. I'd be surprised to see Vision or Loki come back. I'll wager that anybody who went to dust will be back.
Losing Loki is pretty sad though.
Lukus wrote:
I expect the Quantum realm to be involved somehow.
I fully expect Ant Man to be pivotal in saving the day with some clever science stuff that takes advantage of the whole time and space thing.
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Load_2.0 33,582 posts
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Registered 18 years agoI think several will go. I think a lot of the stars would be keen to move on from the franchise.
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I took that as the Hulk, as an entity, was totally flummoxed by meeting something that could go toe-to-toe with him. And felt humiliated as a result, which is why he was reluctant to appear. Until now the only other being that posed any resistance was Thor, and even that was less one sided. (I can't remember how Hulk fared against Abomination, but that's a weird film in the MCU).
Some characters were fucking useless though, what was the deal with Hulk? That was never really satisfyingly explained.
Unrelated, but I have to say the end credit sequence, even though it didn't actually feature her as such, has made me a lot more interested in Captain Marvel. -
Load_2.0 wrote:
I think several will go, but I reckon some might just retire without dying. Like, Stark has been on the edge of retiring since IM3, would be a weird shame if he doesn't.
I think several will go. I think a lot of the stars would be keen to move on from the franchise.
It's a great paycheck but there's probably more interesting roles out there.
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@drhickman1983 I'm not buying the whole humiliation thing. Not that you're wrong but it's lame if so.
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