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I agree with sirtbox above - technically impressive, stories are basic and just use sentimentality and general melodrama to tell stories. Very much like 99% of video games in that sense. As someone else said though, they are for kids. |
Are Pixar really as good as everyone says? • Page 3
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superdelphinus 10,507 posts
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jaangus 5,405 posts
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Registered 14 years agoAnyone who thinks Pixar films are purely for kids is wrong .gif)
I remember thinking Wall E was shite but I enjoyed all the others I have seen although I think the quality of their films has dropped a bit recently compared to the likes of the incredibles and finding nemo.
If you havent seen them their short films are pretty cool too. -
superdelphinus 10,507 posts
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Registered 16 years agoI don’t think they are purely for kids, but films about toys coming to life and having adventures is probably at least slightly geared towards children. -
Fake_Blood 11,093 posts
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Registered 12 years agoOkay there are some famous people doing voices in pixar movies, but it's not Austin Powers and Axel Foley trying to save Cameron Diaz now is it? -
Not-a-reviewer 7,686 posts
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Registered 7 years agodrhickman1983 wrote:
It was: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(2012_film)
reviewer wrote:
I don't think the Bear one was them?
I don't know many people that are certain a new Pixar film will be great these days. They have a far better hit rate than most even over the last 5-10 years but after the cars trilogy, the dinosaur one and the bear one there's no reason to assume their next film will be amazing. -
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Registered 7 years agoTomo wrote:
It probably had more to do with John "gropey" Lassiter's lack of involvement as he became head of all animation in Disney instead of day to day oversight of Pixar.
Mola_Ram wrote:
This times a million.
They were spectacularly good until they got bought by Disney
Disney buyout was about 2006. Soon after this they released Ratatouille, Wall-E and Up, which were in production before Disney could properly sink its claws in, and hence maintained Pixar's record of great films. Then Toy Story 3 happened which was awesome (not sure if this was greenlit by Disney or it was already in the works). And then by the time the Disney effect had fully struck, we had Cars 2, Monsters sequel and Brave which were pretty mediocre.
This is why I'm surprised the Star Wars films have been so good thus far. But give those 2-3 more years and they'll be garbage too. Alarm bells are already sounding for the Han Solo film. -
senso-ji 10,271 posts
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Registered 13 years agoDisney owned Toy Story before they bought Pixar. Pixar didn't want to do Toy Story 2, so Disney threatened to make it without them (as a direct to video release, no less), and they obviously commissioned Toy Story 3 when they had the studio under their thumb. -
simpleexplodingmaybe 19,992 posts
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Registered 6 years agoLassiter is a groper too? -
reviewer wrote:
Ah, fair enough. Haven't seen Brave so wasn't aware there was a bear, I was thinking of another bear based animation.
drhickman1983 wrote:
It was: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(2012_film)
reviewer wrote:
I don't think the Bear one was them?
I don't know many people that are certain a new Pixar film will be great these days. They have a far better hit rate than most even over the last 5-10 years but after the cars trilogy, the dinosaur one and the bear one there's no reason to assume their next film will be amazing. -
up_the_ante 1,574 posts
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Registered 14 years agosimpleexplodingmaybe wrote:
No he’s just a hugger
Lassiter is a groper too? -
Lukus 24,639 posts
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Registered 17 years agomal wrote:
No, Mal. You've drastically misinterpreted what I meant, Mal. Bad Mal.
Lukus wrote:
Wasn't that what Monster's University was? To be honest, as a grown man I think I missed the comedy chase scene at the end.
I'd quite like to see Pixar do a film purely for adults. No, not hentai, but something that isn't designed to appeal to both children and adults. Just something completely unrestrained by studios or targets. It'd be interesting to see what direction they headed in. Some of the themes in their family films are ripe for further exploration, without simply ending in a comedy chase scene. -
simpleexplodingmaybe 19,992 posts
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Registered 6 years agoI like Brave. It might not have the grandeur or make you cry moments some of the others do but it does its lower key thing very very well. -
Mola_Ram 26,187 posts
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Registered 9 years agoI wasn't really meaning to imply that everything was perfect before Pixar got taken over by Disney, or that everything Pixar has been rubbish since then, or that Disney can't make good things.
But before the takeover, you had a company which famously said "no sequels" (aside from Toy Story 2, but I don't think anyone minded that one). They were then absorbed by a company that, when it strikes gold (see: The Lion King, Aladdin, The Little Mermaid, Frozen), proceeds to mine the ever-living fuck out of that gold forever and ever (see: the many direct-to-dvd sequels and spinoffs of The Lion King, Aladdin, The Little Mermaid, Frozen), until there's no more money to be had. In that situation, you're unlikely to be able to keep to the "no sequel" rule.
They haven't ruined Pixar. Toy Story 4 and The Incredibles 2 might be pretty good, in the same way that the new Star Wars movies are pretty good. Their movies are just... safer.
In sum, everyone should go watch Coco, so Pixar can be encouraged to make more original content.
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foster2007 336 posts
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Registered 14 years agoI think Pixar have went downhill in the overall quality of their stories, but their animation quality is still the best probs. -
JoelStinty 9,530 posts
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Registered 8 years agosuperdelphinus wrote:
I don’t see the stories being basic being a bad thing - it allows the story team to flesh out their characters and themes of
I agree with sirtbox above - technically impressive, stories are basic and just use sentimentality and general melodrama to tell stories. Very much like 99% of video games in that sense.
As someone else said though, they are for kids.
The story, which result in better films. It allows for the heroine/hero to go on that journey without being bogged down with unneeded plot points. Again referencing ghibli, it is why their films are of such a high quality.
Simple stories, with great characters who develop over the course of a film with proper themes for its audience to think or reflect upon. I don’t think Pixar are successful because of good cgi - paramount and various other studios have published various technically good cgi movies, it’s the cast and stories/journey that being people back
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Bambot 2,076 posts
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Registered 6 years agoI think the stories have got a bit crap really. I think the last major Pixar I really enjoyed was TS3. Unless... was Wall-E before or after TS3? I liked that too. Sure, their animation game is always going to be strong, but for me it was always about the charm and appeal of the stories they told and I can't remember the last Pixar I bothered with. -
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Registered 17 years agoLukus wrote:
Wolves chasing the sled!
Frozen is a big pile of wank. Honestly, I tried watching it with an open mind a couple of years back and it's horseshit. The editing is all over the place, there's no sense of the progression of time, it's not funny, the characters are all twats. But at least there's no chase scene. Or maybe there is. I lost interest.
Or is it only chase scenes at the end that count? -
Psiloc 6,366 posts
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Registered 14 years agoThe only Pixar film I've felt "meh" about was Monsters University. Everything else is either "good" or "great" as far as I'm concerned. And thank God Disney are good again too; my daughter is now old enough to want to watch these things.
Dreamworks is intolerable. -
Mola_Ram 26,187 posts
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Registered 9 years agoOh god yes. For every complaint you have about Pixar, you can say "well, at least they're not Dreamworks". -
Decks 31,013 posts
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Registered 6 years agoThere's some pretty good stuff on there to be fair.
https://www.thewrap.com/dreamworks-animation-movies-ranked-best-worst-shrek-panda-dragon/ -
how the fuck can chicken run be higher than shrek??? stupid list. -
disusedgenius 10,677 posts
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Registered 14 years agoGraxlar_v3 wrote:
I can get behind that.
how the fuck can chicken run be higher than shrek??? stupid list.
I'm surprised that The Croods is quite so low, compared to the absolute shit like Home which is above it. But, either way, it really puts Pixar's achievements into perspective. Even Cars wipes the floor with over half of that list. -
@disusedgenius true, but if i was to ask you what pixar movie would you put above How to train your dragon i bet you would struggle. -
disusedgenius 10,677 posts
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Registered 14 years agoEh, kinda. But the fact that there's a half dozen in contention for that top spot says a lot as well. It's one thing to get a classic or two out, it's another (and more impressive, imo) to have such a consistently high floor. -
Psiloc 6,366 posts
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Registered 14 years agoI'm not sure I'd count Aardman as Dreamworks films. Remove those and you're left with How to Train your Dragon and Shrek 1 that aren't fucking turds IMO.
Ironically Shrek 1 is a movie about how shit Disney is. Other than the message, being "it's what's on the inside that counts, except ha ha look at that really short guy". -
Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years agoI agree that Aardman is Aardman and not Dreamworks, in the same way that Pixar isn't Disney and Vice versa.
I still think How to train your dragon (both) and Kung fu panda (all three) are better (much better) than
Cars (All of them)
Up
Brave
Finding Nemo (Both)
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It’s starting to seem like I’ve done myself a favour never watching the Cars sequels. Is the dinosaur one rubbish too? I always meant to get around to that one day.
Dunno, it’s obviously a taste thing but for me DreamWorks is too deliberately “zany” and “hip”, and they’re a bit try hard. Unlike Disney and Pixar which I can take some enjoyment from, as an adult I get the same feeling sitting through a DreamWorks film as I do watching a Saturday morning cartoon.
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