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@THFourteen I'd say the best thing about PC gaming (for me personally) are the cheaper prices and permanent catalogue of games over generations. Hell, I still play Company of Heroes, Unreal Tournament, Civ V, CS:GO and Warcraft 3 most of the time. |
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Rhaegyr 5,499 posts
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Malek86 12,331 posts
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Registered 14 years agoTHFourteen wrote:
Tbf, even if I had to play at minimum settings, being able to play at 60fps would already be enough for me.
At that point i'd ask yourself why you want to remain in PC gaming at all. The best thing about PC gaming is being able to play most games at detail and resolution levels that mop the floor with your average console (and play some strategy / RPG games that dont come out on consoles).
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Skirlasvoud 4,039 posts
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Registered 11 years agoNvidia had the GTX 1060 back in stock last night. 299$. Fair price.
When I tapped my notification e-mail ten minutes later, they were out of stock again.
By this time, it's not just miners. It's scalpers too, wanting to make a quick 100 bucks.
I've set up notification on my phone this time. Loud, blaring ones. I WILL have one!
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Malek86 12,331 posts
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Registered 14 years agoFair? I paid 250 euro for my RX480 two years ago at launch and I thought I was being swindled, since the official american price should have been $199 (got it anyway because the card was near impossible to find, and a 970 would have cost just as much).
In retrospect, it was lucky that I decided to upgrade back then, rather than wait another year as I had originally planned.
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senso-ji 10,271 posts
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Registered 13 years agoWe're almost in April and still no GPU stocks? The price of crypto is falling regularly, so I'm not even sure why there is still a high demand for mining tech. -
Skirlasvoud 4,039 posts
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Registered 11 years agoI subscribed to a Nvidia alert on their GTX 1060 cards. Sold out again within 10 minutes.
Cute way to tell me *Nope, not gonna happen. We're not even gonna bother informing you anymore*.
You can forget about until the start of Q4 2018.
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Fake_Blood 11,093 posts
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Registered 12 years agoThis is bullshit. If your product sells like hot cakes you'd better build a new factory or two.
imo they are either doing everything to keep the price as high as possible or they think this bitcoin thing will be short lived so there is no point in upping production. -
One_Vurfed_Gwrx 4,468 posts
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Registered 15 years agoI did wonder of there was an alert system but didn't see one on their site at a cursory glance. -
Skirlasvoud 4,039 posts
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Registered 11 years agoFake_Blood wrote:
From what I've seen, it's a combination of the latter (don't want to invest in another dozen production lines with the risk of the miner marketing suddenly collapsing) and them needing to rival smartphone producers for their memory supply. DDR4 simply isn't available right now with the newest Pads and phones coming out.
This is bullshit. If your product sells like hot cakes you'd better build a new factory or two.
imo they are either doing everything to keep the price as high as possible or they think this bitcoin thing will be short lived so there is no point in upping production. -
Skirlasvoud wrote:
Graphics cards don't use DDR4. I think people underestimate how much it would cost to ramp up production and as it stands now the miners would just snap up all the extra anyway. Plus they are more than happy with the current situation. At the end of the day they don't care who buys the cards so long as they sell.
Fake_Blood wrote:
From what I've seen, it's a combination of the latter (don't want to invest in another dozen production lines with the risk of the miner marketing suddenly collapsing) and them needing to rival smartphone producers for their memory supply. DDR4 simply isn't available right now with the newest Pads and phones coming out.
This is bullshit. If your product sells like hot cakes you'd better build a new factory or two.
imo they are either doing everything to keep the price as high as possible or they think this bitcoin thing will be short lived so there is no point in upping production. -
Dirtbox 92,595 posts
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Registered 19 years agoIt's approaching the point where graphics card don't offer a worthwhile repay, so the bubble is going to burst fairly soon and the market is going to get flooded. -
Dirtbox wrote:
I hope so, I want something cheap and middling for an emulation PC.
It's approaching the point where graphics card don't offer a worthwhile repay, so the bubble is going to burst fairly soon and the market is going to get flooded. -
Technoishmatt 5,365 posts
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Registered 7 years agoIf they are selling all their stock to miners right now, they will know that gamers are holding back their purchases. When the miner market goes (surely it will?) there will be a bunch of pent up demand from gamers, so NVIDIA wins again. -
Technoishmatt wrote:
But also a flood of cheap second hand cards.
If they are selling all their stock to miners right now, they will know that gamers are holding back their purchases. When the miner market goes (surely it will?) there will be a bunch of pent up demand from gamers, so NVIDIA wins again. -
Fake_Blood 11,093 posts
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Registered 12 years agoI clearly don't get economics. My first idea was that this was going to be good for games because more money for the chip makers means more better faster cards sooner right? -
Fake_Blood wrote:
Even if that was true its not good for games if most cards aren't being sold to gamers. Also I don't think it will lead to faster cards at all. They prefer to trickle out upgrades so they can sell you a new card every generation or two. They don't want to sell you something that will last you too long.
I clearly don't get economics. My first idea was that this was going to be good for games because more money for the chip makers means more better faster cards sooner right?
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Skirlasvoud 4,039 posts
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Registered 11 years agoSpectral wrote:
It gets a bit complicated and I'm not all that knowledgable, but the way I've been explained it by articles:
Skirlasvoud wrote:
Graphics cards don't use DDR4. I think people underestimate how much it would cost to ramp up production and as it stands now the miners would just snap up all the extra anyway. Plus they are more than happy with the current situation. At the end of the day they don't care who buys the cards so long as they sell.
Fake_Blood wrote:
From what I've seen, it's a combination of the latter (don't want to invest in another dozen production lines with the risk of the miner marketing suddenly collapsing) and them needing to rival smartphone producers for their memory supply. DDR4 simply isn't available right now with the newest Pads and phones coming out.
This is bullshit. If your product sells like hot cakes you'd better build a new factory or two.
imo they are either doing everything to keep the price as high as possible or they think this bitcoin thing will be short lived so there is no point in upping production.
Any type of RAM or memory is expensive right now. Both Phones and GPU's need RAM. It's not the same type of RAM (whichever type it is), but it's RAM nonetheless.
The manufacture of pretty much any type of RAM by what amounts to the same supplier, requires the same production pipelines. Apple and Samsung have a high demand for RAM right now and are willing to fork over more money to get it.
That means Nvidia and AMD are out in the cold right now. Even if they'd be willing to increase production to make up for demand, their suppliers still wouldn't be able to supply them with the RAM necessary to create their cards. -
Skirlasvoud 4,039 posts
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Registered 11 years agoSpectral wrote:
Fuck second hand cards.
Technoishmatt wrote:
But also a flood of cheap second hand cards.
If they are selling all their stock to miners right now, they will know that gamers are holding back their purchases. When the miner market goes (surely it will?) there will be a bunch of pent up demand from gamers, so NVIDIA wins again.
1) I don't want a card that's been overclocked and in operation in some guys basement 24/7 for over a year or more.
2) Miners can shove their cards where the sun don't shine. Mining alone isn't profitable. The douchebags rely on mining + selling their cards after they're done with them and the bubble bursts.
If I see them peddling them wares after the Ethereum prices collapse, I'mma run over and forcefully insert their second hand GPU in whatever slots they have available on their bodies, free of charge.
I hope they choke in them and run a loss.
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up_the_ante 1,574 posts
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Registered 14 years agoIt’s a boom time for GPU sales now but when the mining bubble bursts the 2nd hand market will get flooded with 1080s etc and the market for new GPUs is going to tank. No one wants to build new fabs to be left high and dry.
What I don’t understand is why the big boys don’t get in on the dedicated crypto currency processors? Small companies are making them I know and they are designed from the ground up to do those calculations. I think graphics cards just have more sheer brute force and TFlops, but are a far less elegant solution. -
Gabriel2R 265 posts
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Registered 10 years ago@Skirlasvoud Just to be clear, Miners cards are some of the best to buy, they often underclock and undervolt the card and it will be in mostly pristine condition.
The only problem some people have with them is the fans, that can be easily swapped.
Miners don't want their cards exploding on them, and cards are very safe operating in undervolt/underclock conditions. -
Skirlasvoud 4,039 posts
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Registered 11 years agoNope. They usually overclock their cards.
https://www.thegeekpub.com/11350/overclocking-a-mining-gpu/
They might undervolt their cards (they usually keep recommended voltage - which is another problem: No way of knowing and no way of being able to trust the a-moral douchebags), but in no conceivable way are they "mostly pristine".
Besides, I still don't want to deal with the vultures. Once the bubble bursts, prices of similar cards as new will also drop. I'd rather get one of those.
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Dirtbox 92,595 posts
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Registered 19 years agoSpectral wrote:
Emulating what? A cheap laptop can emulate everything up to a GameCube with relative ease.
Dirtbox wrote:
I hope so, I want something cheap and middling for an emulation PC.
It's approaching the point where graphics card don't offer a worthwhile repay, so the bubble is going to burst fairly soon and the market is going to get flooded. -
Khanivor 44,800 posts
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Registered 20 years agoI hope you’re right. I’ve been bedding a newer card for a while -560Ti- but fuck paying the crazy prices. Especially as even at RRP I know I’d have buyer’s remorse after it had been shipped. -
Dirtbox wrote:
Just in general. I already have an old Phenom II X6 based PC doing it but its got an old 560 ti in it with the fans sounding like they are on the way out. So at some point I just want to replace its graphics card. Admittedly I haven't given much though as to what to replace it with yet.
Spectral wrote:
Emulating what? A cheap laptop can emulate everything up to a GameCube with relative ease.
Dirtbox wrote:
I hope so, I want something cheap and middling for an emulation PC.
It's approaching the point where graphics card don't offer a worthwhile repay, so the bubble is going to burst fairly soon and the market is going to get flooded.
Speaking of GC emulation I've never had much luck with that one even on my proper gaming PC. I always seem to get random audio glitches and stutters even using ubershaders. -
Rusty_M 7,172 posts
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Registered 14 years agoReally? I've barely had any issues using Dolphin. I need to reinstall it. -
senso-ji 10,271 posts
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Registered 13 years agoEmulators rely on CPU clock speed. They are not optimised for GPUs or even multi core CPUs in some cases. PCSX2 for example, runs like a dream on a 4GHz cpu, especially really demanding games like SotC.
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senso-ji wrote:
You still need GPU power to some degree to add the bells and whistles, adding anti-aliasing, increasing the internal resolution,ect.
Emulators rely on CPU clock speed. They are not optimised for GPUs or even multi core CPUs in some cases. PCSX2 for example, runs like a dream on a 4GHz cpu, especially really demanding games like SotC.
With regard to GC I have no idea why its struggling so much compared to how I see it run by people in youtube videos. My PC should be more than capable. Other emulators such as PCSX2 run fine, even Cemu runs better than Dolphin.
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