| No offence, genuinely, I just probably wouldn't want to read that if I were the next hire. |
Lack of diversity at Eurogamer • Page 15
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OnlyJoeKing 1,293 posts
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Fake_Blood 11,093 posts
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Registered 12 years agoDirtbox wrote:
The designated parking spot was a bit over the top tbh.
pelican_ wrote:
Who will be painfully aware that is why he or she was hired after all this shite.
Expect the next hire not to be a white male. -
Youthist 14,724 posts
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Registered 16 years agoNo agreed I actually deleted when my attempt at humour felt unnecessarily mean. -
OnlyJoeKing 1,293 posts
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Registered 9 years agoWell, it's better to address than ignore. Nuances of operation a very public media platform aside!
As long as they openly pursue a fair and equal recruitment process, it's fine. Just need to aspire to hire, manage and reward people on merit.
Easier said than done, perhaps, but it's a pretty straightforward principle to aim for imo. -
Dirtbox 92,600 posts
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Registered 19 years agoFake_Blood wrote:
I thought it was the designated drinking fountain.
Dirtbox wrote:
The designated parking spot was a bit over the top tbh.
pelican_ wrote:
Who will be painfully aware that is why he or she was hired after all this shite.
Expect the next hire not to be a white male. -
Dirtbox 92,600 posts
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Registered 19 years agoStill trying to work out how bad that joke is on a scale of one to hitler. -
IronGiant 6,352 posts
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Registered 18 years agonickthegun wrote:
I work in IT and on my current team almost half are women and in fact the department manager and two of the team leads are women so you're way out of touch.. in my previous roles it was the same. Not many developers tend to be women but for other roles like testing, project manager, business analyst there are plenty of women.
How are you going to get there without initial policies to break the status quo, though?
A bunch of white guys are generally going to hire white guys which discourages other people coming through.
Take IT. It's a complete sausagefest because it's seen as a 'male' industry. Women are actively put off from entering into it. How are you going to change that? Actively try to promote an environment that women will thrive in, possibly including some diversity hires.
I can't imagine games journalism is much of a draw, either, given the amount of right wing little fuckheads who make up the audience. You only have to look at the comments on articles to see that an agenda does actually have to be pushed to normalise women and non-white people working in the industry otherwise why would you bother?
I see nothing wrong at all with hiring the best person for the job regardless of sex, race or whatever.. reading about 'quotas' is unbelievable. -
Load_2.0 33,583 posts
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Registered 18 years agoAdmittedly there are larger numbers of females in QA roles than other areas but your organisation would be an exception rather than the norm.
Females make up around 17% of the working IT population for the UK. -
Maybe more women find IT boring, and prefer other careers, like healthcare. The NHS has a majority of females, including senior positions, like GPs. I'm not saying barriers don't still exist, but the problem might be more complex than the idea the every profession should have a near 50/50 split. -
nickthegun 87,712 posts
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Registered 16 years ago@IronGiant:
1) I've been working in IT for quite a while, for businesses of varying size and scale, from small service providers to the banking sector and have experienced this in many occasions and especially while recruiting. I once worked for a company that only hired men because, legend has it, if they employed a woman, they would have had to build another toilet.
2) yes, if you expand IT out to jobs that aren't actually IT, women are reasonably well represented. Most of our BAs are women as well as a good chunk of the PMs, none of which come from a technical background -
nickthegun 87,712 posts
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Registered 16 years agoGaol wrote:
I find IT boring. I don't really know what that's got to do with anything.
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Tonka 31,980 posts
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Registered 18 years agoAll these pages of mediocre white males arguing against giving others the same chance of being rubbish at their work, and not a single solid argument.
The "very dangerous token hire" is a myth perpetuated by those that know they'd struggle on a level playing field. -
Youthist 14,724 posts
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Registered 16 years agoYeah the same point keeps getting posted by the same poster over and over...... -
Nazo 1,953 posts
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Registered 12 years agoIronGiant wrote:
We don't have any female devs on our team at all. Then again, when we were recruiting recently I didn't get a single CV from any women. We're a media focused company so it's not like it's a hostile sector either.
I work in IT and on my current team almost half are women and in fact the department manager and two of the team leads are women so you're way out of touch. -
Fake_Blood 11,093 posts
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Registered 12 years agoDirtbox wrote:
If that joke was riding a bus, it would sit all the way in the back.
Still trying to work out how bad that joke is on a scale of one to hitler. -
Load_2.0 33,583 posts
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Registered 18 years agoHardly "thought police."
Just challenging the idea your workplace is reflective of the wider community. -
JoelStinty 9,530 posts
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Registered 8 years agoRyze wrote:
To be honest i imagine that there is a fuck ton of people who wanted to get into games writing and had a look at what was happening within in the industry and its community and rightly thought fuck that.
Colour me unsurprised that women wouldn't want to join the boys club at the Eurogamer forum in their droves.
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nickthegun wrote:
Different genders making different choices (on average), will mean different hiring ratios.
Gaol wrote:
I find IT boring. I don't really know what that's got to do with anything.
Maybe more women find IT boring
If the reason for the different choice is lack of access, or barriers to entry, that's a problem. If the reason is choice, then that's not. Women, on average, are less likely to like shooting games. Many see running around playing soldiers as pointless. It's actually OK for there to be a majority of men reviewing stuff like this, the same way I'd expect a majority of women covering majority female interests. So long as there is no active exclusion, as everyone's different.
Setting targets is therefore complex and dangerous imo. Having a loose goal of increasing an under-represented section of your audience and utilising any good opportunity to do so is not. -
nickthegun 87,712 posts
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Registered 16 years agoI know you’re going all in on this ‘women like being nurses, big strong men like being bricklayers’ thing, but it's the same reductive nonsense that got that guy fired from Google.
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Mola_Ram 26,196 posts
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Registered 9 years agoIt's "scientifically proven" how? Because he read a couple of papers that agreed with him and linked them? -
Mola_Ram 26,196 posts
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Registered 9 years ago/looks forward to the next few pages of argument -
Load_2.0 33,583 posts
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Registered 18 years agoGaol wrote:
Really?
Women, on average, are less likely to like shooting games. Many see running around playing soldiers as pointless. It's actually OK for there to be a majority of men reviewing stuff like this, the same way I'd expect a majority of women covering majority female interests. -
Load_2.0 wrote:
People do take a lot of comfort from their biological determinism these days, it wouldn't surprise me.
Really?
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