Derblington wrote:True. Still sounds like halo has never really ‘evolved’ past the first game. |
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Bambot 1,821 posts
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Rodney 4,465 posts
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Registered 14 years agoI think it's a valid criticism that the series never really evolved beyond the first game, but when other FPS games have become fairly homogenised, chasing the CoD formula, Halo still stands out as its own thing.
Just the prioritisation of movement over iron sights makes the game different from most modern FPS games.
The enemy AI has only been matched by FEAR, and the combination of energy weapons for shields, melee and grenades still make the gunplay fairly unique.
The series will never be as innovative as Combat Evolved, but I don't think any FPS game is because the genre is so well established now. -
@Anthony_UK Halo's only real USP is its moment-to-moment combat loop, which admittedly is pretty different from the average shooter mold. That does seem to be just fine for a lot of people - though I've never liked the Halo/Destiny gunplay model personally.
Beyond that, as you say, it is very much a series set in stasis. Probably doesn't help that it takes itself so bloody seriously, which isn't a great thing for a lightweight fps about Shooty Spaceman Shooting The Naughty Aliens. -
Haven't played the last few but I wouldn't say the enemy AI is particularly amazing in them. -
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Registered 7 years agoHmmm, yeah, the enemy ai hasn't been fun since 3 I feel. -
SolidSCB 12,766 posts
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Registered 11 years agoThe enemy AI was very decent in Halo 1 at the time. But these days you can find better pretty much anywhere. -
Dirtbox 91,412 posts
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Registered 18 years agoIt only seemed decent because the elites were bullet sponges with recharging shields, so they had more time to ponce about.
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Registered 11 years agoIt was definitely cheap smoke and mirrors, it was just a bit more acceptable two decades ago than it is them still doing it today. -
I wouldn't say you can find better everywhere else, they're still pretty fun to play against. I certainly wouldn't hold them up as some gold standard of AI though. -
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Registered 7 years agoNow F.E.A.R. That was some fucking good AI right there. -
Yeah still some of the best gun fights I've ever had in a game. -
Can we have a proper F.E.A.R. remaster now please? Doesn't need to be a full remake. Just something to sand a few of the technical rough edges off and get it playing nicely on modern PCs. -
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Registered 7 years agoEurgh, it's 15 years old...sigh. -
Fake_Blood 10,442 posts
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Registered 11 years agoBambot wrote:
Well the plan with Infinite is to make Halo 1 the way it was intended. Like if you look back at the very first mission, they give you the impression that you’re just driving around on an island but in reality you’re following a very tight corridor, and with Infinite they basically want to do it for real.
Derblington wrote:
True. Still sounds like halo has never really ‘evolved’ past the first game.
That’s just game dev. -
Derblington 33,414 posts
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Registered 16 years agoGame dev reacts...
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b-rk 1,278 posts
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Registered 2 years agoreaction videos
fast cuts
talks in that usual youtube style
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Bambot 1,821 posts
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Registered 5 years agob-rk wrote:
I was going to just agree with you about youtubers generally, but then I watched it.
reaction videos
fast cuts
talks in that usual youtube style
i hate this world
He goes through the reveal video, pauses it in places, and talks about what he sees, which is offensive to you because why?
And what fast cuts?
And he talks like a human being talking to camera while discussing what he can see on his own monitor.
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Registered 18 years agobork just likes to whine ignorantly and incessantly. -
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JamboWayOh 19,988 posts
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Registered 7 years agoGlol -
Bambot 1,821 posts
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Registered 5 years agoDirtbox wrote:
But that's my thing.
bork just likes to whine ignorantly and incessantly. -
Dirtbox 91,412 posts
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Registered 18 years agoMine too, or used to be. Usually sans the ignorance, but you know. -
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Registered 18 years agoJamboWayOh wrote:
I'm not sure about that, there were times when the scripting was pretty obvious, but I appreciated how they tweaked each encounter to use the environment. It was almost all setpieces though.
Now F.E.A.R. That was some fucking good AI right there. -
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Registered 7 years agoDirtbox wrote:
Hmmm, I disagree for its time especially with how vocal the enemies were it really did create the impression that there was voodoo going on. They were definitely reactive outside setpieces too.
JamboWayOh wrote:
I'm not sure about that, there were times when the scripting was pretty obvious, but I appreciated how they tweaked each encounter to use the environment. It was almost all setpieces though.
Now F.E.A.R. That was some fucking good AI right there. -
Dirtbox 91,412 posts
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Registered 18 years agoThe problems came when you tried to lure them outside of their areas, they weren't adaptive at all. I 'broke' their AI numerous times by running past a couple of rooms past them.
I think they were done similarly to Half-Life's military grunt AI, which was scripted with a bunch of if statements that were only really applicable to the area they were spawned in. It's only very recently that they've managed to nail truly adaptive human-like play with the bots in CSGO, and even that has its pitfalls, and they're worthless outside of the map they have pathing for.
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Registered 13 years agoYou know it's bad when Dominoes Pizza starts having a go
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@up_the_ante Obvious corporate politics at play there. Doritos are partnered with Dominoes biggest rival, Pizza Hut, these days.
Not sure about Mountain Dew..gif)
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Registered 15 years agoup_the_ante wrote:
I love how annoyed they've made people in the comments there.
You know it's bad when Dominoes Pizza starts having a go
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Yeah, rather than stirring up all that negativity, Dominoes should go find another games journalist, mega-franchise and toxic-tasting soft-drink brand to get their own Pope.
Maybe Jason Schreier, Gears of War and Cherry Coke, to fuel the Dominoes Pope? -
120fps b1tches...
https://twitter.com/halo/status/1289298976550731776?s=21
...for whoever bothers to buy a Series X
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