General World Politics Thread.

  • JoelStinty 22 Jun 2018 10:42:37 7,122 posts
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    We have a Eu thread, a Uk and US one, so thought it be good to have another thread to make us feel slightly more miserable, hence a thread for the rest of the shittery that is currently happening in the world right now.

    Starting with Italy. Seemingly going down the rabbit hole of wanting to inflict genocide:

    Matteo Salvini, Italy's interior minister: ďWe need a mass purification. Street by street, quarter by quarter.Ē He's talking about immigrants, by the way.

    And ""I've asked for a census of the Roma community living in Italy. The irregular ones will be deported. However, we'll have to keep" in Italy "the Romas with Italian citizenship, unfortunately"
  • Jono62 22 Jun 2018 10:45:41 21,591 posts
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    Trump is planning to meet these wonderful people in 20 minutes. He loves a bad guy.
  • StarchildHypocrethes 22 Jun 2018 10:45:53 31,993 posts
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    Erdogan's probably going to get voted back in again, too. Woo...
  • whatfruitlivesagain 22 Jun 2018 10:52:43 1,495 posts
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    I donít likenItalys rhetoric but I understand it. They along with the Eastern European states have beared the brunt of migrants fleeing the Middle East due to the foreign policy blunders of the north westeren eu

    In return they have received mandates to implement.austerity to prop up the bad debts of north western EU banks as a result of the fiscal compact. Itís a fertile breeding ground for far right nationalistic ideas.
  • AcidSnake 22 Jun 2018 14:50:24 8,030 posts
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    I'd just like to offer some context to the Italian situation and how we got to the situation described in the first post...

    Let's start at the 2013 elections. We have a multi party system with about 3 or 4 main contenders meaning an outright majority is never really on the cards.
    Back then after Berlusconi ignored the global economic crisis he was basically ousted for a technical government (Monti PM). This government did what it was supposed to do and introduced some measures against tax evasion and also started the mechanism to slowly raise the retirement age to align with people growing older on average than before.

    Naturally this did not prove popular, though it is what our country needed IMO.

    So in 2013 the major options were the center-left coalition, the technical government people who had made a new party or the center-right coalition reeling from Berlusconi's ineligibility because guess what, he was finally convicted for something. (Never stopped any public officials before but the technical government also introduced the "no criminals can be elected if convicted for crimes committed in public service")

    Suddenly there was a new populist party along for the ride, the 5 star movement. Part left-wing idealism, part "fuck the system", part conservative "what's the EU ever done for us?" and no parts of experience...

    After the vote the 5 star party quite unexpectedly came very close to being the largest party in both the house and the senate, but not quite.
    So a coalition needed to be made but there was a small snag. Our presidents 7 year term was up. So our newly elected officials needed to elect a new one.
    In theory the center-left had the numbers to dictate the choice.

    And then a chunk of the party voted against their own newly elected leader (Bersani) and his candidate. The newly elected leader stepped down and another guy (Letta) was put in his place, though not picked from the chunk of rebels in the party.
    The 5 stars refused to join any coalition so the center-left joined with a part of the center-right (excluding the xenophobe party) and they governed for a bit.
    But the center-left rebels weren't done, they elected a new party leader (Renzi) who assured the prime minister he wasn't gunning for his job. So then a few days later he took his job.

    With the rebels in control they governed a bit by cosying up to Berlusconi setting up mostly center-right laws until Renzi proposed a constitutional referendum to give the prime minister more power basically. Instead of convincing people of its merits he started tying his own political fate to the referendum outcome, completely sure he'd win.
    So he lost (December 2016).

    And then we got a new PM (Gentiloni) who governed until this year.

    In the mean time the xenophobe party rebranded themselves from "fuck the south of Italy" to "fuck everything to the south of Italy" which more italians could get behind.

    So going into the elections this year we had just come off of about 7 years without having elected a PM.

    In the elections this year the 5 star party cleaned house and got 32%. The xenophobes nearly rivaled the center-left at about 18%.
    Because of the huge center-left loss Renzi (still party leader) announced he'd step down only after a new government was formed without his own party, quashing any hopes of a 5 star/left coalition.

    5 star and xenophobes united and now govern us though with an apparently random dude as PM (Conte)

    And that's a bit of context, now as to what Salvini (interior minister/leader of the xenophobe party) said, the rounding people up comment was made during campaigning (doesn't make it any less horrible) and the census thing is against our constitution (doesn't make the comment any less horrible, just more uninformed)
    For what it's worth the 5 star party leader called him out on it...

    TL:DR;
    We're governed by morons and bastards, but we're used to it...

    Edited by AcidSnake at 15:51:01 22-06-2018

    Edited by AcidSnake at 15:51:50 22-06-2018
  • DrStrangelove 22 Jun 2018 15:22:20 13,410 posts
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    whatfruitlivesagain wrote:
    I donít likenItalys rhetoric but I understand it. They along with the Eastern European states have beared the brunt of migrants fleeing the Middle East due to the foreign policy blunders of the north westeren eu
    Germany was pissed off by other EU countries refusing to take any of the refugees, but it doesn't have much moral high ground here, as that's how it's been treating Italy for many years. For a long time, Italy has asked other EU countries to help them with the refugees coming over the Mediterranean, and Germany's stance always was well that's your problem, we don't care. I greatly disapprove of the far right populist shit going on, but sadly, with the underwhelming history of European solidarity, I can't fully blame anyone for giving the EU the finger.
  • Armoured_Bear 29 Oct 2018 09:12:21 25,102 posts
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    https://twitter.com/psythor/status/1056811593177227264?s=21

    Yeah, fuck China.
  • Frogofdoom 29 Oct 2018 09:15:24 11,240 posts
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    Brazil's leader seems a touch unhinged then.
  • RichDC 29 Oct 2018 09:15:34 8,043 posts
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    Saw that earlier. Truly worrying. And even more so is the people in the comments who see nothing wrong with it.
  • challenge_hanukkah 29 Oct 2018 09:18:26 9,255 posts
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    I'm all for having that shit implemented here if it discourages antisocial behaviour.

    Being on buses/trains/coaches etc with utter cunts has never been fun.

    Fuck freedom. This is the world we live in now, let's crack on with gusto.
  • sport 29 Oct 2018 09:24:51 14,719 posts
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    challenge_hanukkah wrote:
    I'm all for having that shit implemented here if it discourages antisocial behaviour.

    Being on buses/trains/coaches etc with utter cunts has never been fun.

    Fuck freedom. This is the world we live in now, let's crack on with gusto.
    You are fined one credit for a violation of the verbal morality code!
  • KnuttinAtoll 29 Oct 2018 11:00:29 6,509 posts
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    Frogofdoom wrote:
    Brazil's leader seems a touch unhinged then.
    You reckon?



    (make sure subtitles are on)
  • KnuttinAtoll 29 Oct 2018 11:06:00 6,509 posts
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    Anyways I'm losing hope for humanity - wherever you look people are doing their utmost best to vote and act against their own interests.

    It's a bit like The Walking Dead where you replace zombies with idiots.
  • AaronTurner 29 Oct 2018 11:07:01 10,236 posts
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    I don't understand that video although I admittedly just watched with subtitles and no sound. Isn't she calling him a rapist?
  • elstoof 29 Oct 2018 11:08:11 22,170 posts
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    The comments are eye opening
  • macmurphy 29 Oct 2018 11:46:27 3,636 posts
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    Interesting article in the Times yesterday how China was expanding its influence through loan and debts. Times is a pay site but this article gives the gist of it:

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/world/asia/china-sri-lanka-port.amp.html
  • whatfruitlivesagain 29 Oct 2018 12:08:43 1,495 posts
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    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    https://twitter.com/psythor/status/1056811593177227264?s=21

    Yeah, fuck China.
    Well at least its upfront about potential consequences of acquiring a criminal record.
  • ControlledChaos 29 Oct 2018 12:27:07 455 posts
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    The problem with a system like that is when the rules & regulations are not clear and unambiguious or open to multiple interpretations, I'm sure they had a episode of the Orville last season like this when one of them was filmed pretending to shag a statue
  • Armoured_Bear 29 Oct 2018 15:16:06 25,102 posts
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    https://twitter.com/castriotar/status/1055836519318122496?s=21

    The state of Brazil.

    Brazil, USA, Italy, China, Russia, Poland, Hungary - what a sad state of affairs.
    Fairly scary.
  • HelloNo 29 Oct 2018 15:39:13 2,073 posts
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    (Screams into pillow)
  • H1ggyLTD 29 Oct 2018 16:51:06 11,224 posts
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    https://twitter.com/jackyatess/status/1056931486895616000?s=19
  • FWB 29 Oct 2018 17:03:30 55,487 posts
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    Poland has backtracked on the judges... they've been allowed back to work and Warsaw will appeal through the the European Courts (good luck) regarding their dodgy retirement law. Local elections have also seen a knock for the PiS and gains for progressives. There is hope there.
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