Following The Car Advice Thread Page 2

  • KnuttinAtoll 18 Jul 2018 11:21:16 7,393 posts
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    @Armoured_Bear I was surprised how well mannered the car handled in the snow. I tried to power slide it at low speed and I did manage it, but it required a fair bit of coercion.

    With ESP, traction control, a gentle right foot and good winter tyres you won't have any problems. Worst case, just bring a set of chains.

    Back when I was starting to drive (early 90s), and when we actually used to have lots of snow during winter (50cm+), I swore by FWD and manual gearbox (not that I had the funds for anything else!), and RWD cars back then used to be a pain going up a snowy steep road; but technology has improved so much in the meantime I don't think it's remotely as problematic nowadays.
  • elstoof 18 Jul 2018 11:25:57 23,911 posts
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    Definitely consider a 3 series over a 1, not that much bigger externally but much more spacious and comfortable inside. Plus you can get AWD with the 2l motors. My old 1 series was fun but regretted it as soon as I got into my current 3
  • nudistpete 18 Jul 2018 11:37:54 860 posts
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    DrStrangelove wrote:
    Haven't had one myself, but I've also read and heard a lot about problems with VW engines and transmissions. Cam chains, TSI engines, DSG etc.
    Has anyone actually got a DSG (or equivalent dual clutch transmission) and actually likes it? We've got a car with a Ford Powershift DCT and while it's great in 3rd-6th gears, in the lower gears it feels like you've handed over control of the car to a drunk learner driver. I'm genuinely interested whether any of them are decent since I've only ever heard people IRL moan about them.
  • retro74 18 Jul 2018 11:42:38 2,863 posts
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    My Golf has a DSG box and it's fine, I keep it in full auto the majority of the time

    With it being an R it's incredibly quick no matter which method you choose though
  • nickthegun 18 Jul 2018 11:47:48 78,495 posts
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    I put about 80k miles onto a Leon FR with a DSG and 99% of the time*, it was fine. It selected the appropriate gear and went about its life with minimum fuss. I would have one again over a manual any day.



    * The other 1% of the time, it occasionally shat itself and put itself into neutral when moving off, which isnt great on hill.
  • PatrickEwing 18 Jul 2018 11:48:34 2,411 posts
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    Got a gti with DSG, 170,000 miles and itís still perfect. Service as per schedule and youíll go well.
  • brokenkey 18 Jul 2018 11:49:12 10,257 posts
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    My '86 is auto with paddles (is that DSG?). It's great. Snow button, Sport button, full* manual control, kickdown when in auto mode.

    *it will auto down-shift when slowing down, and if you hit the rev limit it stops accelerating, which feels like someone's hit the brakes.

    Edited by brokenkey at 11:53:36 18-07-2018
  • nickthegun 18 Jul 2018 11:53:16 78,495 posts
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    How is the '86 for fuel? The last NA, 200bhp car I had was a CTR and that was a thirsty little bastard.
  • brokenkey 18 Jul 2018 11:56:29 10,257 posts
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    '86 Auto is listed as doing 39.8mph in economy driving. I can't really comment on that because I don't get to drive it much (commute into London each day on the train), and so when I do I hammer it like a nutter.

    I think my average (never zeroed over 25,000 miles) is around 29mph.
  • KnuttinAtoll 18 Jul 2018 11:59:01 7,393 posts
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    brokenkey wrote:
    '86 Auto is listed as doing 39.8mph in economy driving. I can't really comment on that because I don't get to drive it much (commute into London each day on the train), and so when I do I hammer it like a nutter.

    I think my average (never zeroed over 25,000 miles) is around 29mph.
    Does the police ever pull you over for being too slow? :D
  • watto 18 Jul 2018 12:00:06 18 posts
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    I have a Seat Cupra with DSG. It's the first auto car I've ever owned and I felt slightly dubious having only ever driven manuals before. I honestly doubt I'd go back now. It has paddles that can be useful to downshift when overtaking but otherwise is driven in full auto all the time. It's so good you completely forget about the concept of gears!
    You can flick it into sport mode if you want to go loud (and ruin the fuel consumption).
  • Salaman 18 Jul 2018 12:05:32 23,683 posts
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    Alfa Romeo Guilia, my colleague just took delivery of one last week. I;d go for that to replace my current company car (BMW3) if I could.
  • challenge_hanukkah 18 Jul 2018 12:09:43 11,121 posts
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    I've got an Austin Ambassador Y reg.
  • elstoof 18 Jul 2018 12:10:39 23,911 posts
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    What would you replace the Alfa with when it goes in for work the week after
  • nudistpete 18 Jul 2018 12:15:26 860 posts
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    Interesting to hear people's positive perspective on dual clutch transmissions. FWIW the Ford one has such a bad rep that they gave everyone a ten year warranty on it, so I suspect we'll trade in ours before that expires.
  • nickthegun 18 Jul 2018 12:15:42 78,495 posts
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    challenge_hanukkah wrote:
    I've got an Austin Ambassador Y reg.
    Don't keep asking me 'why, reg?', it just happens to be that year.
  • KnuttinAtoll 18 Jul 2018 12:16:02 7,393 posts
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    elstoof wrote:
    What would you replace the Alfa with when it goes in for work the week after
    The Giulia is a lovely car, but yeah I wonder if the latest models improved on their terrible reputation. Check out the state of 5-10 year old Alfa's, they've not aged well at all - not so much in terms of style, but man they mostly look like they're about to fall apart if you look at them the wrong way.
  • elstoof 18 Jul 2018 12:17:09 23,911 posts
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    Auto transmissions are so good now that I donít know why anyone would want a manual for their daily driver
  • Armoured_Bear 18 Jul 2018 12:17:45 27,334 posts
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    KnuttinAtoll wrote:
    elstoof wrote:
    What would you replace the Alfa with when it goes in for work the week after
    The Giulia is a lovely car, but yeah I wonder if the latest models improved on their terrible reputation. Check out the state of 5-10 year old Alfa's, they've not aged well at all - not so much in terms of style, but man they mostly look like they're about to fall apart if you look at them the wrong way.
    Yep, the Guilietta still looks nice but not sure I'd trust my hard earned on it.
  • Armoured_Bear 18 Jul 2018 12:21:21 27,334 posts
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    brokenkey wrote:
    My '86 is auto with paddles (is that DSG?). It's great. Snow button, Sport button, full* manual control, kickdown when in auto mode.

    *it will auto down-shift when slowing down, and if you hit the rev limit it stops accelerating, which feels like someone's hit the brakes.
    34 years old, I doubt that!
  • nudistpete 18 Jul 2018 12:22:28 860 posts
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    elstoof wrote:
    Auto transmissions are so good now that I donít know why anyone would want a manual for their daily driver
    I'd day the fact that the DCT's aren't that smooth (see my previous comments), the servicing costs are expensive (some of the wet clutches can cost £300+ for an oil replacement which is needed every 3 years) and they can be stupidly expensive to fix (the dry clutch systems used for the smaller cars are fully sealed meaning you need to replace the whole transmission). Also there are still plenty of CVT's out there and people don't like their engine making the same hornets net noise irrespective of how fast they're going.

    Of course once we're all driving hybrids and electric motors we won't have a choice...
  • elstoof 18 Jul 2018 12:27:05 23,911 posts
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    I mean proper autos like the ZF8, bloody amazing. Never driven a DSG
  • nudistpete 18 Jul 2018 12:29:57 860 posts
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    Well most people can't afford a newish car with a proper slushbox, and others aren't prepared to take the dip in fuel consumption over a manual.
  • KnuttinAtoll 18 Jul 2018 12:39:12 7,393 posts
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    Well, there's auto's, and there's auto's.

    My first automatic was a 2007 CLK, 5 speed. Absolutely terrible.

    Current one is an 8 speed (indeed the ZF8 elstoof mentioned, I believe), you don't even notice the changes, and frankly it's the most fuel efficient car I've ever driven. 5-5.5l/100km, regardless of driving conditions/style (bear in mind this is a mid sized car with a 184bhp 2l engine).

    And yes I reckon the next car I'll buy will be at least a hybrid if not fully electric. Until that happens I'll drive my car until it either falls apart or the government tells me it's not road legal anymore.

    Edited by KnuttinAtoll at 12:40:18 18-07-2018
  • nickthegun 18 Jul 2018 13:02:12 78,495 posts
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    Yeah, my mrs only has an auto license, so ive driven quite a few.

    By far the worst was in her corsa. Worst car ive ever driven and the 'box was so bad, it was actually dangerous. Awful, awful piece of shit.
  • Fake_Blood 18 Jul 2018 13:15:42 9,659 posts
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    Are cars really cheap in the uk or are you all rich cunts? Because Golf R, Cupra, those are all high powered small cars that are virtually impossible to own in Belgium because of taxes.
    My 184bhp seat leon is the fastest car we have at our company for example.
  • Pierre2k 18 Jul 2018 13:21:37 1,138 posts
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    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    KnuttinAtoll wrote:
    elstoof wrote:
    What would you replace the Alfa with when it goes in for work the week after
    The Giulia is a lovely car, but yeah I wonder if the latest models improved on their terrible reputation. Check out the state of 5-10 year old Alfa's, they've not aged well at all - not so much in terms of style, but man they mostly look like they're about to fall apart if you look at them the wrong way.
    Yep, the Guilietta still looks nice but not sure I'd trust my hard earned on it.
    Not such a fan of the current Alfa range, albeit, I think they're "nice", but I always wanted a Brerra, or its soft top Spider variant. In the style department, I still they are automotive porn. Unfortunately, the license to use the pininfarina design expired and they had to cease making them, and I'm not sure if trust an old Alfa.... Still want one though...
  • Armoured_Bear 18 Jul 2018 13:27:22 27,334 posts
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    Fake_Blood wrote:
    Are cars really cheap in the uk or are you all rich cunts? Because Golf R, Cupra, those are all high powered small cars that are virtually impossible to own in Belgium because of taxes.
    My 184bhp seat leon is the fastest car we have at our company for example.
    Which taxes?
  • elstoof 18 Jul 2018 13:30:38 23,911 posts
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    I donít see any more high powered cars here than I do in France or wherever
  • KnuttinAtoll 18 Jul 2018 13:46:12 7,393 posts
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    Pierre2k wrote:
    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    KnuttinAtoll wrote:
    elstoof wrote:
    What would you replace the Alfa with when it goes in for work the week after
    The Giulia is a lovely car, but yeah I wonder if the latest models improved on their terrible reputation. Check out the state of 5-10 year old Alfa's, they've not aged well at all - not so much in terms of style, but man they mostly look like they're about to fall apart if you look at them the wrong way.
    Yep, the Guilietta still looks nice but not sure I'd trust my hard earned on it.
    Not such a fan of the current Alfa range, albeit, I think they're "nice", but I always wanted a Brerra, or its soft top Spider variant. In the style department, I still they are automotive porn. Unfortunately, the license to use the pininfarina design expired and they had to cease making them, and I'm not sure if trust an old Alfa.... Still want one though...
    In my younger days I was pretty keen on a Lancia Delta, a second gen Alfa Spider, and an Alfa 145 and later, the 156. Having driven in these cars (either myself or as a passenger), engine notes aside, made me see the light. Atrocious build quality all round but looks and sound wise they are tasty motors. Owning one though, no thanks - I'll rather limit myself to driving them in pooter games;)

    There's a Brera parked in the neighbourhood here - I was never a fan to be honest but yes same problem - the car just looks really tired already.
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