The "well, that's a bit wrong now, when you really think about it" film thread

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  • Mola_Ram 16 Aug 2018 12:18:03 19,064 posts
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    Inspired by the recent realisation in the film thread that American Pie might be a bit problematic in a 2018 context...

    Are there any movies or characters in movies you've previously liked, but then realised (perhaps many years afterwards) that they're pretty morally bankrupt? It might be the result of something like raised awareness (ie. through something like #MeToo), or just through growing up.

    It's not really a hot take anymore, but here's one of my ones: Ferris Bueller was a terrible friend, and just a lazy cunt of a human being. He's not a hero.
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    It's an obvious one, but Marty McFly molesting his mum in 1955 so George could rescue her.
  • Decks Best Forumite, 2016 16 Aug 2018 12:30:36 17,473 posts
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    That film where he kissed the girl at the end before asking her if it was ok first.
  • You-can-call-me-kal 16 Aug 2018 12:32:03 13,371 posts
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    One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest has this romantic idea at its core, that mentally ill people are just different, and it’s society’s inability to accept this that is the problem. Furthermore institutions for helping them are essentially concentration camps designed to contain, limit and if needed completely nullify them.

    There is a valid notion in there that we’re all somewhere on that scale and people with mental illness shouldn’t be dehumanised, but it goes way too far and fails to recognise how ill some people can be, and more importantly that mental health hospitals were and are extremely caring and important places. The demonisation of electroconvulsive therapy in particular is awful, and to this day it’s a very helpful procedure that can provide enourmous relief for certain patients.
  • You-can-call-me-kal 16 Aug 2018 12:37:21 13,371 posts
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    On a similar theme Silence of the Lambs hasn’t aged very well in terms of attitudes towards mental health, and LGBT issues (and linking them together). Generally speaking Hollywood has a terrible relationship with this, and to this day has does much to make a link between certain conditions and being a murderous deviant, but SotL goes even further than most.

    The stuff with Buffalo Bill being trans, and the relationship between that and his murders in particular, would be incredibly controversial today.
  • Skirlasvoud 16 Aug 2018 12:41:19 4,039 posts
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    Old Fashioned, Violent PG movies like Gremlins, Watership Down or Jaws.
    Casual attitude towards bullying in teen films.
    Villanizing actual nations, like Russia in Rocky, or referring to the Germans instead of Nazis in WW2 movies.
    Making fun of Homosexual stereotypes for cheap laughs, or to villanize them like in Silence of the lambs.
    Casual attitudes towards rape, like switching identities in Revenge of the Nerds.
    The voodoo priest in Indiana, or the flying haggler with the big nose in the Star Wars prequels.


    Other examples too, but none of those were from my era.

    Edited by Skirlasvoud at 12:43:10 16-08-2018
  • fontgeeksogood 16 Aug 2018 12:43:22 4,282 posts
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    Ace Ventura
  • hedben2013 16 Aug 2018 12:44:20 900 posts
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    Weird, I was just discussing this very thing with my co-workers. I started watching Django Unchained last night, and yes, I know it's an accurate representation of the way things were at the time, but the casual way the white characters constantly used the n-word was... disquieting at least.
  • Tonka 16 Aug 2018 12:47:39 28,854 posts
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    Mola_Ram wrote:
    It's not really a hot take anymore, but here's one of my ones: Ferris Bueller was a terrible friend, and just a lazy cunt of a human being. He's not a hero.
    It's similar to The Karate Kid where Daniel-san is an annoying twerp who wins the tournament by breaking the rules of the very same tournament. He's constantly harrasing the Kobra Kai guys going "Ner ner ner ner ner, you guys can't touch me. So I'm gonna put out that weed you're smoking at the school dance!"

    As I kid I definitely didn't get that it was weed being smoked. Same for Poltergeist.
  • You-can-call-me-kal 16 Aug 2018 12:48:16 13,371 posts
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    This one gets brought up all the time, but Grease has aged really badly in terms of the message it sends to young women, strongly emphasising the importance of social conformity, bowing to peer pressure and being conventionally beautiful.
  • drhickman1983 16 Aug 2018 12:51:36 5,651 posts
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    The rapey love scene in Blade Runner feels quite icky these days.
  • bad09 16 Aug 2018 12:56:16 8,640 posts
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    Every single Carry On film....but fuck it they are still funny.
  • Tonka 16 Aug 2018 12:57:14 28,854 posts
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    The Silent world by Jacques Cousteau
    This nature loving documentary has it all really:

    Ripping the antennae off of various crustaceans.
    Ramming a whale pup with the ship (by accident, I'm sure)
    Killing a school of sharks with boathooks and whatever's at hand because "All sailors hate sharks"
    Cooking sea turtle omelete

    But it all pales in comparison to the piece the resistance:

    Blowing up a coral reef with dynamite in order to count the number of dead fish that will float to the surface.

    You can't make this shit up.
  • Load_2.0 16 Aug 2018 13:00:31 28,403 posts
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    In Kickboxer JCVD attacks other patrons in an establishment and it's clear they are much smaller than he is.
  • Scimarad 16 Aug 2018 13:01:22 9,534 posts
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    @drhickman1983

    I think it always was TBH. I've never felt especially comfortable about it but then again Deckard is a total knob end.
  • fontgeeksogood 16 Aug 2018 13:03:19 4,282 posts
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    Big - Elizabeth Perkins has sexual contact with a 12 year old
  • Decks Best Forumite, 2016 16 Aug 2018 13:03:56 17,473 posts
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    Taken in the context that they're both artificial humans I think the scene kind of works.
  • Load_2.0 16 Aug 2018 13:05:11 28,403 posts
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    Star Wars films.

    Genocide, butchering children and mass murder are prevalent throught.
  • Tonka 16 Aug 2018 13:06:33 28,854 posts
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    Load_2.0 wrote:
    In Kickboxer JCVD attacks other patrons in an establishment and it's clear they are much smaller than he is.
    Have you heard of Steven Segal?
  • dominalien 16 Aug 2018 13:07:44 8,947 posts
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    drhickman1983 wrote:
    The rapey love scene in Blade Runner feels quite icky these days.
    It has defined my relationships with women for decades afterwards. With results varying wildly from the one HF got.
  • captain-Snufkin 16 Aug 2018 13:08:13 764 posts
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    @You-can-call-me-kal Nah the history of psychiatry is pretty horrific.
  • minky-kong 16 Aug 2018 13:11:47 14,099 posts
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    I was shocked when Johnny says "In a few minutes bitch" in The Room. He's meant to be the hero, but uses the B word!

    I was physically shaking with rage and my monocle fell in my drink.
  • You-can-call-me-kal 16 Aug 2018 13:12:59 13,371 posts
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    captain-Snufkin wrote:
    @You-can-call-me-kal Nah the history of psychiatry is pretty horrific.
    Sure, but by the 70s they were at least trying to help. A lot has been written about the inaccuracies of both the book and the film, in particular how ECT was used as a punishment.

    I get it’s fiction and Nurse Ratchett is just a villain, but it’s valid for this topic, especially as the stigma for that particular therapy is still prevalent today.

    Edited by You-can-call-me-kal at 13:13:14 16-08-2018
  • neilka 16 Aug 2018 13:15:47 22,269 posts
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    What if the alien off Alien was the real victim?
  • dominalien 16 Aug 2018 13:16:40 8,947 posts
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    Apparently ECT is very effective in certain cases. It's also done when the patient is appropriately sedated. Some patients, again apparently, can get addicted to it and want to have it all the time, it works so well.
  • dominalien 16 Aug 2018 13:17:47 8,947 posts
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    neilka wrote:
    What if the alien off Alien was the real victim?
    Taken from his home, shipped off far away? I could buy that. All he wanted was a hug.

    Edited by dominalien at 13:18:17 16-08-2018
  • askew 16 Aug 2018 13:19:38 18,216 posts
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    RandolphCarter wrote:
    Any of the rapey James Bond films.
    Also racist… Live and Let Die is particularly notable with its attempt at putting Bond in a Blaxploitation film.
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