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The "well, that's a bit wrong now, when you really think about it" film thread • Page 11
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challenge_hanukkah 14,400 posts
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Registered 3 years agoLoad_2.0 wrote:
Erm, isn't that kinda the definition of old-fashioned? I have no horse in this battle, I do not know of Greer
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challenge_hanukkah 14,400 posts
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Registered 8 years agoLoad_2.0 wrote:
That you Graham?
The Greer subject is a good example.
Does her perspective on Trans rights invalidate all the work she has done over the years? Is she not entitled to have an opinion that differs from others?
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Your-Mother 8,173 posts
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Registered 5 years agominky-kong wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/2698507.stm
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Load_2.0 33,582 posts
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Registered 18 years agochallenge_hanukkah wrote:
It's Teresa actually you sexist arse.
Load_2.0 wrote:
That you Graham?
The Greer subject is a good example.
Does her perspective on Trans rights invalidate all the work she has done over the years? Is she not entitled to have an opinion that differs from others?
Why dismiss her views as old fashioned or outdated simply because they don't align with the current narrative? -
challenge_hanukkah 14,400 posts
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Registered 8 years agoHah. Doody. -
ooombasa 110 posts
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Registered 4 years agoLoad_2.0 wrote:
Words can change but you can't just force it. Especially when the only use for it presently is absuive as hell. Streamers keep using the shitty excuse that they're using it "just as trash talk" but don't realise it's still using homosexuality as a punchline to being a "man" "normal" "good" and no amount of ignorance to that fact changes it.
Insults change over time.
Call someone a knave 500 years ago and you might end up in a life and death duel.
No reason why Fag can't also change.
Again, if it ever does change it is because the gay community takes ownership of it, like we did with queer. We're nowhere near to accomplishing that.
Anyway, this has gone widely off topic. I don't even know how or why this started, especially in a topic specifically about shit that is now eyebrow raising in older films.
I do find it funny that if you go back far enough no one would deny the blatant sexism, racism and homophobic messaging in old films and yet at the same time think that no longer applies to movies as we near to decades closer to this one. It didn't just vanish. It's still there albeit more coded. -
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Registered 16 years agoFags are still very much expected to be Friends of Dorothy in the US in my experience, I’m not sure what other meaning it could even have -
ooombasa 110 posts
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Registered 4 years agoLoad_2.0 wrote:
Because it is not just a matter of "I disagree" it's "I deny your existence."
The Greer subject is a good example.
Does her perspective on Trans rights invalidate all the work she has done over the years? Is she not entitled to have an opinion that differs from others?
Why dismiss her views as old fashioned or outdated simply because they don't align with the current narrative?
I should not need to tell you how hurtful it is to have your existence denied.
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Load_2.0 33,582 posts
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Registered 18 years agofontgeeksogood wrote:
Not my most eloquent post
Load_2.0 wrote:
Erm, isn't that kinda the definition of old-fashioned? I have no horse in this battle, I do not know of Greer
Why dismiss her views as old fashioned or outdated simply because they don't align with the current narrative?
The point I was trying to make is that her point of view has been dismissed (angrily and violently) rather than discussed. -
greg_wha 1,392 posts
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Registered 9 years agoWatched Heat on Dave recently and my Jesus it hasn’t aged well. -
elstoof 28,126 posts
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Registered 16 years agoGermaine or Judy? -
JamboWayOh 25,237 posts
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Registered 8 years agogreg_wha wrote:
Eh? It's still a brilliant film. What you chatting about?!
Watched Heat on Dave recently and my Jesus it hasn’t aged well. -
macmurphy 4,448 posts
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Registered 14 years agoWhat Jambo said. -
You-can-call-me-kal 23,013 posts
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Registered 15 years agoThe 'perpetually offended' thing can be interpreted a few ways. A lot of people seem to think it's 'faux outrage' and people pretending to be offended about stuff because it's the thing to do right now.
I personally think it's more of a can of worms type thing. People now have a platform for voicing that wasn't there before, and the knock on effect is that others then consider how they may have been marginalised in ways they hadn't realised (and voice it), and then other more self-reflective types consider where they may have marginalised others (and voice it). They in turn then become more evangelical about it - which gets translated by some as 'faux outrage' or virtue signalling.
It's not a universal truth, but the vast majority of those who are worried about 'perpetual offence' are those that feel they are losing something by it, rather than gaining something. I.E. (again generalising) white heterosexual males. That in itself is revealing. -
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Registered 10 years agoAboutHalfaStevas wrote:
For blacks or for homosexuals?
"Good with colours" is my go-to. -
nickthegun 87,711 posts
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Registered 16 years agoIt's the same with anything. When something is your baseline, default setting nothing has any impact.
Like this oombasa guy. His default setting is pant wetting liberal megaphone and as a consequence I've stopped reading anything he posts, despite me agreeing with most things he says to varying degrees.
If your default position is outrage people either ignore you or try to poke you into blowing your stack. -
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Registered 8 years agoMrTomFTWhine -
Load_2.0 33,582 posts
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Registered 18 years agoI think that's a pretty big generalisation, I also wouldn't say it worry's me, it's more that there are real issues and problems that get drowned out in the sea of voices.
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ooombasa 110 posts
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Registered 4 years agoLoad_2.0 wrote:
Not true. For example, the only anger shown at that talk on channel 4 were by so-called feminists (on the panel and in the audience) denying the existence of trans people. Right there to their face and using the most crude of words to dismiss their existence and rights. Trans people were there to discuss. Trans people reacting angrily to that treatment is only natural.
fontgeeksogood wrote:
Not my most eloquent post
Load_2.0 wrote:
Erm, isn't that kinda the definition of old-fashioned? I have no horse in this battle, I do not know of Greer
Why dismiss her views as old fashioned or outdated simply because they don't align with the current narrative?
The point I was trying to make is that her point of view has been dismissed (angrily and violently) rather than discussed.
And yet trans and LGBT+ people are the ones who are accused of being in the wrong by being angry. At a certain point, constantly having to fight against people denying your existence gets tiresome. Because no matter what evidence you show them or how many times you counter their weak ass reasonings to deny your existence it is spat back in your face. One side wants to be accepted and treated with respect (the irony that "feminists" like Greer are denying a people this). The other side (a vocal minority) wants to deny the others existence. It is as plain as that.
The funny thing is trans women right to exist takes absolutely nothing from their rights. Greer thinks feminism loses something by having trans women be a part of it when the evidence shows it is anything but doing that.
But like I said, some people just like to sit by the flag they planted so many years ago and not budge regardless of the changes happening around them. The vast majority of feminists had no issue accepting trans women. For no reason some do. -
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Registered 16 years agochallenge_hanukkah wrote:
Boom. No one actually gave a shit whether or not divas are sexist, it was just a stick to hit him with.
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JamboWayOh 25,237 posts
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Registered 8 years agoI'm more worried about perpetual offence because things move so quickly, people, primarily on social media, display their outrage and then move on to the next thing. At some point it just loses all meaning. I'm not saying everyone is guilty of it but at times it comes across as a bandwagon kind of thing to show how many retweets or likes you got before moving onto the next thing.
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AboutHalfaStevas 2,765 posts
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Registered 6 years agoozthegweat wrote:
Roger's Profanisaurus told me it was for the latter, but who knows, this was a while back, and language evolves blah blah blah?
AboutHalfaStevas wrote:
For blacks or for homosexuals?
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Load_2.0 33,582 posts
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Registered 18 years agoI think you need to look at the vitriol and death threats directed at Greer. The hate and rage was intense and continues now. -
ooombasa 110 posts
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Registered 4 years agonickthegun wrote:
Is this really necessary? I like how simply responding to discussions or questions being asked makes you pant wetting and shouty.
It's the same with anything. When something is your baseline, default setting nothing has any impact.
Like this ooombasa guy. His default setting is pant wetting liberal megaphone and as a consequence I've stopped reading anything he posts, despite me agreeing with most things he says to varying degrees.
If your default position is outrage people either ignore you or try to poke you into blowing your stack. -
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JamboWayOh 25,237 posts
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Registered 8 years agoooombasa wrote:
Tbf your posts commonly are just about something that has offended you. I believe your first few posts were of that nature. I think you even made a thread about something you were offended about.
nickthegun wrote:
Is this really necessary? I like how simply responding to discussions or questions being asked makes you pant wetting and shouty.
It's the same with anything. When something is your baseline, default setting nothing has any impact.
Like this ooombasa guy. His default setting is pant wetting liberal megaphone and as a consequence I've stopped reading anything he posts, despite me agreeing with most things he says to varying degrees.
If your default position is outrage people either ignore you or try to poke you into blowing your stack. -
ooombasa 110 posts
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Registered 4 years ago@Load_2.0 Harassment and death threats is unacceptable but why are you colouring the only stance against her transphobia to be harassment and death threats? It's a minority that does that and we call that shit out just as we do against her transphobia. -
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ooombasa wrote:
No, that'll be due to all the histrionic bed wetting.
I like how simply responding to discussions or questions being asked makes you pant wetting and shouty.
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