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dominalien 17 Oct 2020 10:15:08 10,703 posts
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Yeah, but the “general opinion”, whatever that is, is that Apple “force” you to upgrade yearly because... resons.

elstoof 17 Oct 2020 10:23:36 28,126 posts
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I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or a genuine concern

dominalien 17 Oct 2020 11:01:59 10,703 posts
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Sarcasm. I hear/read it all the time.

Perhaps because every time they put out a new iteration it’s magical and wonderful and amazing so people who don’t appreciate it jump to the conclusion the previous iteration is rendered immediately obsolete.

Then there’s planned obsolescence and Apple are being total cunts about it and it’s the reason I won’t buy their computers any more. That and all the dongles ofc.

elstoof 17 Oct 2020 11:12:06 28,126 posts
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I’ve never heard or read anything like that personally. As far as their computers are concerned, I’ve always got at least 6 years use out of their laptops which is one of the reasons I’m happy to keep buying them

Derblington 17 Oct 2020 11:15:37 35,161 posts
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It’s pretty much the most reliable hardware I’ve ever bought, I think. MBPs, iMacs and iPads.
No idea how long an iPhone would last as I tend to upgrade every 2 years.

Phattso 17 Oct 2020 11:34:54 27,426 posts
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Apple are still actively supporting iPhones back to the 6S and the OG SE. That’s quite a long time.

There was a period where each new iOS required more from the hardware, but the last three in a row have been more efficiency focussed. I used to change every two years but got three years out of my 6S and intend to get at least that from my XS.

[maven] 17 Oct 2020 11:39:08 5,799 posts
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I'm going to upgrade from my 8 (which requests a "battery service" but still has 97% capacity) to a 12 mini, I think.

dominalien 17 Oct 2020 11:44:31 10,703 posts
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Edit: replying to elstoof and Deblington

Hmm, it’s a matter of perspective really.

I’m not disputing reliability, quite the opposite really. The hardware will last forever and if you don’t need the power of a new gen, you could keep using it 10+ years. But you can’t because software updates stop and it becomes first insecure and then useless. Not a problem if you get a new one every 6 years, a problem if you don’t need to. My MBP is sufficient for the work I do on it, but the OS isn’t getting any more updates since some years ago and that’s that.

I have an iPad mini from 2011 on iOS 9. It’s fine hardware-wise, the battery holds quite well. The first thing that’s stopped working was icloud when they moved to a new version which required an update. Then iwork, then Skype, then some other apps. In the mean time, Safari became useless, first because it was so slow, then because it doesn’t support newer JS that’s seen wide adoption in recent years. Right now I can watch Netflix and Crunchyroll on it and read books and comics.

And the longest I’ve used an iPhone is 6 years. It was fine, icloud was no longer working as mentioned above and that was the reason I finally upgraded. Basically, the latest one should really upgrade is about the time a new OS version comes out that you can no longer install and that is about 5 years. Whether that’s a sensible lifespan of an electronic device or not is subject to debate.

Edited by dominalien at 11:47:21 17-10-2020

dominalien 17 Oct 2020 11:46:29 10,703 posts
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Phattso wrote:
Apple are still actively supporting iPhones back to the 6S and the OG SE. That’s quite a long time.

There was a period where each new iOS required more from the hardware, but the last three in a row have been more efficiency focussed. I used to change every two years but got three years out of my 6S and intend to get at least that from my XS.

This is true, new ios versions have been very good at not slowing your device down. And I was really surprised 14 supports 6s and se. That’s longer support than apple have been giving in the past.

Fake_Blood 17 Oct 2020 12:03:13 11,093 posts
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This probably isn't the right thread, but have you guys seen MKBHD's video on the LG Wing?
I think I went "well that's dumb, but wait that's a cool idea" about 3 times.
I wouldn't buy one, but I sure respect they are trying something new.

deadpxl 17 Oct 2020 12:22:14 14 posts
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dominalien wrote:
Yay! \o/

Incremental updates are all we can expect these days. It’s not like we need to upgrade every year, though Apple does force one to eventually as they take features away. IDK what it’s like on Android.

it's significantly worse on Android, for example with Samsung you get two OS updates, then you're cut off. Android phones are only cheaper for the folk who need a new phone and can't just update their battery when it starts to fail.

ozthegweat 17 Oct 2020 12:29:20 2,977 posts
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elstoof wrote:
What’s the benefit to a 120hz screen?

Animations like scrolling are much smoother. It's something I mostly notice immediately after going from using my iPad Pro (which has it) to using my iPhone. It's also something you notice more on a larger screen, maybe that's why it wasn't a priority for the iPhones.

It's probably mostly a personal preference thing. Some people can't even tell the difference between 30 and 60fps.

Phattso 17 Oct 2020 12:29:23 27,426 posts
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dominalien wrote:

Phattso wrote:
Apple are still actively supporting iPhones back to the 6S and the OG SE. That’s quite a long time.

There was a period where each new iOS required more from the hardware, but the last three in a row have been more efficiency focussed. I used to change every two years but got three years out of my 6S and intend to get at least that from my XS.
This is true, new ios versions have been very good at not slowing your device down. And I was really surprised 14 supports 6s and se. That’s longer support than apple have been giving in the past.

Indeed - it’s going on seven years. I think I’d call that decent for modern electronics. I get six years out of a MacBook Pro too, and usually only upgrade because I need a faster one to do more stuff.

The fact that Apple do “force” those upgrades eventually is bad on one hand, but also is the reason their OS aren’t a broken sack of shit. In the main, at least. The legacy doesn’t get out of hand.

nickthegun 17 Oct 2020 12:53:15 87,711 posts
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It’s why I never really mind the upfront cost of Apple stuff as the RoI is comparatively high. My daughter is still rolling with my old iPhone 7 and, barring accidents, she will get at least another year out of it. Five years isn’t bad for a device that now spends its life being hoofed in and out of a school bag.

elstoof 17 Oct 2020 12:58:02 28,126 posts
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I consider it unreasonable to expect more to be honest, sure it would be great to buy once and never have to spend money again but nothing in electronics is like that. How often do you upgrade your television or your games console? That iPad came out 2 years before PS4, do you think Sony should hold back on the PS5 for a few more years?

dominalien 17 Oct 2020 13:20:56 10,703 posts
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Heh, I wish they would. And I'd expect at least 10 years out of a TV. I remember when that was the case. I miss the good old days of electronics that would last forever and standards which would rarely if ever change.

Phattso 17 Oct 2020 13:23:12 27,426 posts
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You can have that - but you'd still be on a CRT with 480 lines and a fucking Megadrive. Have a word.

dominalien 17 Oct 2020 13:30:38 10,703 posts
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Oh come on, the Megadrive was ace. And I love a good CRT.

Anyway, I think consoles have a relatively good life span.

elstoof 17 Oct 2020 13:39:26 28,126 posts
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Consoles have settled into a consistent 6-7 years between generations, which is roughly as long as you complain about getting out of an iPhone, MBP or iMac 🤷‍♂️

deadpxl 17 Oct 2020 13:40:23 14 posts
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That's weird, my 10 year old plasma is still crushing it on a daily basis.

elstoof 17 Oct 2020 13:45:02 28,126 posts
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I bet your 10 year old plasma looks like a bag o shite next to an LG CX

deadpxl 17 Oct 2020 13:49:44 14 posts
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well, I don't know, but it didn't stop working 4 years ago, which is the implication.

in fact it looks better than any LCD TV to this day.

Dougs 17 Oct 2020 13:50:44 100,414 posts
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Phattso wrote:
You can have that - but you'd still be on a CRT with 480 lines and a fucking Megadrive. Have a word.

My Panny plasma lasted 11 years as our main telly. And is still used to this day....and looks great (except in comparison to HDR...). Still brilliant with motion.

Edit: doh, I see that convo is already happening

Edited by Dougs at 13:51:12 17-10-2020

elstoof 17 Oct 2020 13:54:55 28,126 posts
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I don’t think anyone suggested things will stop working, but if you want to buy something that feels like a significant step up in quality and features, replacing every 6 years or so isn’t too unreasonable

Dougs 17 Oct 2020 13:57:37 100,414 posts
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elstoof wrote:
I bet your 10 year old plasma looks like a bag o shite next to an LG CX

There's some content that looks better imo. Notably Nowtv football streams. But that's the source that's the problem there!

Phattso 17 Oct 2020 14:02:37 27,426 posts
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The point I was trying to make is that if you want shit that lasts forever you will, by definition, be trapped in the past. TVs just take a signal and show it. You can get by with a 20 year old one if you're happy with the compromises. I'm on about a four year cycle with TVs but that's probably skewed by moving country twice and changing up every time. The next one I buy (LG CX, fates willing) will be it for a long while.

Unlike a tele, though, things like consoles and phones and laptops are part of an ever-evolving app-scape. So you kinda have to go with that churn rate - 6 years ish - or just get a feature phone for calls and use a shitty Windows laptop to browse t'interwebs.

Dougs 17 Oct 2020 14:03:35 100,414 posts
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Don't disagree with that at all!

dominalien 17 Oct 2020 15:30:55 10,703 posts
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elstoof wrote:
Consoles have settled into a consistent 6-7 years between generations, which is roughly as long as you complain about getting out of an iPhone, MBP or iMac 🤷‍♂️

That's true, but then I expect different things from stuff that plays games than stuff that's for email, web and watching some videos.

In any case, I couldn't wait for the PS3 gen to be over, because they were clearly deficient for actual HD. With the PS4 I'm not so sure... it still plays awesomely looking games.

Phattso 17 Oct 2020 16:26:59 27,426 posts
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Wait - you have an older Apple machine that can't email, browse the web, or watch videos? Really?

dominalien 17 Oct 2020 16:57:25 10,703 posts
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I have an iPad that can't browse the web.

I have a MBP that shouldn't be connected to the internet period, because it hasn't had an update in 4 years. If it were running macOS that is. It's perfectly fine, updated and all, as it is now.

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