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It's an odd one in that people are horrified by the racism but bypass the vigilantism. I mentioned this before that had he not mentioned race he would have been praised rather than pilloried. |
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Load_2.0 33,582 posts
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You-can-call-me-kal 23,013 posts
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Registered 15 years agoWell, I think it’s a combination of the two really. What he was describing was effectively lynching. -
JamboWayOh 25,236 posts
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Registered 8 years agoYou-can-call-me-kal wrote:
It is a strange one as he was actively admitting to being a shit. Admitting it at a press junket is a weird place but he was honest about it and as Kal says he volunteered this information. I would like to believe we use it as a way of having a conversation about unconscious bias towards different ethnicities rather than being all tabloid and saying that Liam Neeson is a current racist who wants to kill black people.
There’s no question what he did was racist and awful. But it’s not like this has been unearthered on some old Twitter post. He has willingly volunteered the story to make a point about reflecting on past behaviour and recognising it as wrong. Or at least I’m pretty sure that’s what he was trying to do. -
Lukus 24,639 posts
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Registered 17 years agoLoad_2.0 wrote:
I totally disagree. That was incredibly disturbing in itself. He sounds completely unhinged, but the added racism really shows him up. Besides, the way it was all phrased and delivered seriously makes me think the desire to kill was increased by the obvious prejudice.
It's an odd one in that people are horrified by the racism but bypass the vigilantism.
I mentioned this before that had he not mentioned race he would have been praised rather than pilloried. -
Lukus 24,639 posts
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Registered 17 years agoLoad_2.0 wrote:
I totally disagree. That was incredibly disturbing in itself. He sounds completely unhinged, but the added racism really shows him up. Besides, the way it was all phrased and delivered seriously makes me think the desire to kill was increased by the obvious prejudice.
It's an odd one in that people are horrified by the racism but bypass the vigilantism.
I mentioned this before that had he not mentioned race he would have been praised rather than pilloried. -
Load_2.0 33,582 posts
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Registered 18 years agoIts cynical but i genuinely think people would have cheered it on. -
JamboWayOh 25,236 posts
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Registered 8 years agoLoad_2.0 wrote:
Hmm, if it was to beat up a paedo then I'd probably agree he'd get some cheers of support.
Its cynical but i genuinely think people would have cheered it on. -
Load_2.0 33,582 posts
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If it was a paedo he would have been knighted. -
Armoured_Bear 31,233 posts
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Registered 10 years agoHim coming out with all this whilst promoting a film doesn't exactly give the best impression. -
superdelphinus 10,507 posts
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Registered 16 years agonickthegun wrote:
I don’t like linehan, I find him disappointingly irritating in real life and he was one of the main reasons I stopped using Twitter a few years ago (though I only ‘used’ it for a couple of months anyway). But, I don’t think he did actually receive a police warning did he?
Load_2.0 wrote:
It missed out him being given a police warning for harassing a trans activist.
That's an accurate summary.
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Decks 31,013 posts
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Registered 6 years agoI think people labelling him a racist need to remember whax it was like in the 70's. Shit like Love Thy Neighbour was prime time television.
It's a wildly misjudged thing for him to say but he was trying to make a point about human behaviour. And you really can't judge what he did by today's standards. It was a completely different world. And Norn Ireland was absolutely bat shit crazy back then. -
BreadBinLidHero 10,801 posts
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Registered 12 years agoIsn't the subtext of his story "what a racist twat I was, eh? How wrong was that?" -
mothercruncher 19,474 posts
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Registered 15 years agoPickledRight wrote:
The point was Northern Ireland was significantly more violent back then. He literally lived in a literal place where people literally planned on murdering people. And then literally did. With regularity.
Uh, he admitted to planning on murdering someone for a week...
That aside, I think the “BB” phrase tripped him up here and is telling. Its one thing to use that language in a coarse environment 40 years ago, but quite another to repeat it today and not expect a reaction. Why the fuck wouldn’t he mention colour, if he thought it was relevant to the story, but be aware of how hideous that phrase is today and therefore not repeat it?
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Decks 31,013 posts
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Registered 6 years agoI literally agree. -
Listening to the actual interview (rather than just reading the transcript) he voiced it like you would confide to your mate in a pub, which is ill-judged during a press interview. He should know better given his long time experience in the industry, and should have predicted the outcry (who knows, maybe he did but just didn't care).
It seemed clear to me what point he was trying to make and that he condemned his actions, it's a shame that that's lost on many as they focus on a bunch of specific words without that context.
I found something similar happening with Tusk's statement yesterday. -
Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years agoCAtholic church eh?
Burn that shit to the ground. Nuns used as sexslaves.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pope-francis-priests-nuns-sexual-slavery-abuse-saint-jean-order-france/ -
Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years agothelzdking wrote:
This is the perfect example of what I was trying to say about speaking about this from a place of absolute privilege. I can sit back and think "Well, he meant well. It just didn't come out right"
Isn't the subtext of his story "what a racist twat I was, eh? How wrong was that?"
But if you're a person that have to watch your back bc racist/sexist assholes, then maybe that's not an option. I don't know.
It would be good if famous people with a platform made a conscious effort to be very clear on what they're actually trying to say. Especially in this time of dog whistling. -
nudistpete 1,273 posts
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Registered 4 years agoTonka wrote:
If you had a wormhole and could send this sentence to 2010 as a message from the future, people would think we live in an age where we're ruled by vicious canine overlords.
Especially in this time of dog whistling. -
You-can-call-me-kal 23,013 posts
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Registered 15 years agoTonka wrote:
Honestly, I really don't understand what you're on about at all here. He shouldn't have chosen to raise awareness of unconscious racist behaviour by admitting to a past incident because he's a white man?
thelzdking wrote:
This is the perfect example of what I was trying to say about speaking about this from a place of absolute privilege. I can sit back and think "Well, he meant well. It just didn't come out right"
Isn't the subtext of his story "what a racist twat I was, eh? How wrong was that?"
But if you're a person that have to watch your back bc racist/sexist assholes, then maybe that's not an option. I don't know.
It would be good if famous people with a platform made a conscious effort to be very clear on what they're actually trying to say. Especially in this time of dog whistling.
Yes, he handled it badly. That's very clear at this point. No idea what this has to do with privilege. -
JYM60 19,085 posts
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Registered 15 years agoI had never heard of this term 'woke' until I seen this.
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elstoof 28,125 posts
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Registered 16 years agoI’m just surprised anyone expected a 66 year old man to not be dropping casual racism and misguided right-on social conceptions. Your dad says stuff like this all the time and also doesn’t understand why he’s told he’s being out of touch -
Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years agoYou-can-call-me-kal wrote:
My unease is not about him but about me. It's the way I can dismiss it as "Oh come on, he meant well!" that I feel as a privilege. I can see what he was trying to say and I think it's a good thing to bring up.
Yes, he handled it badly. That's very clear at this point. No idea what this has to do with privilege.
But I'm completely detached from the issue at the core, that there are people who go out and murder people of color at random. Still. It's not a 70's thing. That shit happens. I can imagine that if you had brown eyes, seeing a famous actor hamfistedly giving support to that idea could be upsetting. -
Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years agoActually I'm not completely detached from that. I have to explain to my 8yo why a democratically elected politician in Sweden wants to throw his mother out of the country.
I notice that colleagues from all blue eyed families don't have the same level of engagement with how fucked up the Sweden Democrats are. They've no skin in the game. -
You-can-call-me-kal 23,013 posts
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Registered 15 years agoTonka wrote:
As long as you have awareness and perspective on your privilege I can't see the problem. As privileged white people we have no right to be telling black people they shouldn't be offended by what Liam Neeson said, or at the very least we should listen to and empathise with their perspective. It doesn't mean we can't also recognise that he was apparently trying to do a good thing by admitting to the behaviour.
You-can-call-me-kal wrote:
My unease is not about him but about me. It's the way I can dismiss it as "Oh come on, he meant well!" that I feel as a privilege. I can see what he was trying to say and I think it's a good thing to bring up.
Yes, he handled it badly. That's very clear at this point. No idea what this has to do with privilege.
But I'm completely detached from the issue at the core, that there are people who go out and murder people of color at random. Still. It's not a 70's thing. That shit happens. I can imagine that if you had brown eyes, seeing a famous actor hamfistedly giving support to that idea could be upsetting. -
monkman76 18,987 posts
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Registered 13 years ago'Has brown eyes' is an odd catch-all for 'not white'. I am white and have brown eyes. -
elstoof 28,125 posts
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Registered 16 years agoMust be a Swedish thing because he’s used that one before -
monkman76 18,987 posts
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Registered 13 years agoYeah I've seen. I guess we're not as pure bred as the Nords. -
Wait, what's this brown eyes thing.
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