Following UK Politics Thread Page 401

  • Dgzter 14 Oct 2019 16:05:53 2,851 posts
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    Frogofdoom wrote:
    It does my fucking head in, parliament is basically just a school playground since he got in. It's always been shit but this is next level now.
    Yup. It's absolutely nauseating. Just bluff, bluster, empty rhetoric and meaningless platitudes.
  • d_h1234 14 Oct 2019 16:20:14 201 posts
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    Give the people what they want.
  • Graxlar_v3 14 Oct 2019 16:22:39 8,340 posts
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    d_h1234 wrote:
    Give the people what they want.
    a good governement should not give the people what they want, but what they need.
  • AaronTurner 14 Oct 2019 16:40:26 11,426 posts
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    You-can-call-me-kal wrote:
    AaronTurner wrote:
    Like I said, Iím really not that bothered by what one person said on the internet. I wouldnít be surprised if you posted links to people being racist in any number of ways.
    Just to reiterate, I think this post is extremely disingenuous. The reason Iím posting stuff in this thread - the politics thread - is to demonstrate the issue Labour have with antisemtism.

    The irony here is that the main reason I do it is to persuade people specifically like you. Not to preach to the choir for those that already see it.

    The more of these I post, the more I hope that youíll concede that it is actually a specific (not common or garden racist hate but specifically related to imperialistic conspiracy), and widespread within leadership positions in the party (individuals like this).

    Yet these two points are the things you seem to wilfully fail to recognise.
    Iím sure you do think itís disingenuous. Also, I think youíve made an assumption on my thoughts about Labour rather than take on board what Iíve said in the past.
  • You-can-call-me-kal 14 Oct 2019 16:45:08 17,917 posts
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    What do you mean? Like what..
  • nickthegun 14 Oct 2019 17:22:39 79,230 posts
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    Heh, the Tories are planning on solving the non-existant problem of voter fraud with bringing in photographic ID checks.

    I mean, Christ, at least pretend like you aren't following Evil Right Winging For Dummies page by page.
  • DanoFNG 14 Oct 2019 17:24:46 350 posts
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    https://twitter.com/HMRadioUK/status/1183764320955654144?s=20

    Sincerely hope the September polls predicting a tory wipe out in Scotland hold true.
  • Armoured_Bear 14 Oct 2019 18:09:02 27,514 posts
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    DanoFNG wrote:
    https://twitter.com/HMRadioUK/status/1183764320955654144?s=20

    Sincerely hope the September polls predicting a tory wipe out in Scotland hold true.
    Doesn't matter that much, does it? The cunts will still be in charge overall.
  • Psychotext 14 Oct 2019 18:20:13 65,792 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    Heh, the Tories are planning on solving the non-existant problem of voter fraud with bringing in photographic ID checks.

    I mean, Christ, at least pretend like you aren't following Evil Right Winging For Dummies page by page.
    Fairly likely they'll lose that vote though. At least until they win the next election anyway.
  • Dougs 14 Oct 2019 18:23:59 91,055 posts
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    In theory, they should lose them all. Very difficult to control legislation without a majority. Who knows what amendments will get through that the government doesn't want.
  • dsmx 15 Oct 2019 01:12:35 8,489 posts
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    If the Tories want to bring in a voter ID fair enough but I'll bet when they see the price tag of setting it up they won't do it.
  • Saul_Iscariot 15 Oct 2019 03:32:19 3,234 posts
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    Whatever happened to those nice identity cards that were once proposed?
  • Sharz 15 Oct 2019 05:30:29 1,910 posts
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    The thing with Id cards is that if everyone has easy access to one then it isn't a problem. The tories know full well that not everyone has a driving license or passport, not only cost involved but also puts a barrier in place.

    If we already had a national id card system then would be a non issue.
  • nickthegun 15 Oct 2019 06:40:26 79,230 posts
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    Saul_Iscariot wrote:
    Whatever happened to those nice identity cards that were once proposed?
    Labour pitched them at the height of their surveillance state period, so everyone said 'go fuck yourselves'
  • Dougs 15 Oct 2019 06:51:58 91,055 posts
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    Least of the surveillance concerns given CCTV, facial recognition etc now.
  • Frogofdoom 15 Oct 2019 06:55:03 14,620 posts
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    I never really had an issue with a DNA database or ID cards tbh. I understand why people do but I feel the pro's outweigh the cons.
  • Dougs 15 Oct 2019 06:57:07 91,055 posts
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    It's entirely disenfranchising and means the poor and minorities are disproportionately hit. It doesn't bother me personally as I'm a law-abiding middle aged white man but I can see young black lads being absolutely shafted.
  • Decks Best Forumite, 2016 15 Oct 2019 07:03:33 21,502 posts
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    You been reading my pornhub search history?
  • smoothpete 15 Oct 2019 07:05:31 36,134 posts
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    Ha!
  • Dougs 15 Oct 2019 07:05:51 91,055 posts
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    I'm not here to judge, whatever floats your boat
  • mothercruncher 15 Oct 2019 07:15:34 16,719 posts
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    Itís not about floating Dougs, itís about plunging.
  • RichDC 15 Oct 2019 07:21:34 8,608 posts
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    It's just so transparent as another of Johnson's attempts to appeal to the racist gammons. The sort who genuinely believe that BAME Labour MPs only get elected because of voter fraud and 'they're only voting for one of their own' etc, along with 'sure there's only been a couple of proven instances of voter fraud at the booths but it's all the ones you don't know about that are the problem.'

    Luckily there's no possibility of Johnson getting this through before the next election.
  • ResidentKnievel 15 Oct 2019 07:30:32 7,327 posts
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    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/13/second-voter-id-trial-sees-800-people-unable-to-vote-in-local-elections

    Working as intended
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 15 Oct 2019 08:46:09 11,368 posts
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    They really are taking all the sleaziest lessons from the Republican Party
  • nickthegun 15 Oct 2019 08:56:32 79,230 posts
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    Ironically (and completely anecdotally) none of the pensioners I know can drive or have a passport.
  • Psychotext 15 Oct 2019 11:30:58 65,792 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    Ironically (and completely anecdotally) none of the pensioners I know can drive or have a passport.
    They automatically get a free bus pass though...
  • TheSaint 15 Oct 2019 12:30:55 18,943 posts
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    For me, I'd say it's a pretty 50/50 split between those with no driving licence/passport and those who spend their whole lives jetting around the world or on cruises.

    I guess we know which half Johnson is after.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 15 Oct 2019 13:41:22 11,368 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    Ironically (and completely anecdotally) none of the pensioners I know can drive or have a passport.
    I bet the polling station staff would let a lovely old (white) biddy off a lot more often than they would someone younger (or less white)
  • THFourteen 15 Oct 2019 13:46:51 53,174 posts
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    Dgzter wrote:
    Frogofdoom wrote:
    It does my fucking head in, parliament is basically just a school playground since he got in. It's always been shit but this is next level now.
    Yup. It's absolutely nauseating. Just bluff, bluster, empty rhetoric and meaningless platitudes.
    It's always been like this, just people haven't really noticed. That's why I laugh at how much energy gets expended on discussing politics, when ultimately it serves no more purpose than your average students union.
  • TheSaint 15 Oct 2019 13:52:00 18,943 posts
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    THFourteen wrote:
    Dgzter wrote:
    Frogofdoom wrote:
    It does my fucking head in, parliament is basically just a school playground since he got in. It's always been shit but this is next level now.
    Yup. It's absolutely nauseating. Just bluff, bluster, empty rhetoric and meaningless platitudes.
    It's always been like this, just people haven't really noticed. That's why I laugh at how much energy gets expended on discussing politics, when ultimately it serves no more purpose than your average students union.
    https://gph.is/OxP9vO
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