Following UK Politics Thread Page 690

  • captbirdseye 29 Jun 2020 20:09:54 9,629 posts
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    Cummings has an obsession with following the US setup for public servants which is no bad thing in terms of updating SCS with fresh ideas every few years.

    The current system is a tad archaic and I've worked with so many that can barely turn on their PC let alone come up with innovate ideas. I have no faith in the Converatives doing this correctly.
  • Dougs 29 Jun 2020 21:31:22 94,086 posts
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    I have no problem with the upper echelons of the SCS being industry folk with different skills and experience. I do have a problem with them being purely political appointees though. It's a very slippery slope imo. Just need to hang on for 2 more parliaments....
  • thelzdking 29 Jun 2020 22:39:23 10,076 posts
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    Dougs wrote:
    RGeefe wrote:
    Losing the BBC would be huge. It's not perfect and they do need their heads knocking but nobody, NOBODY is willing to pay for journalism anymore. To have a tax funded broadcaster that's reasonably impartial and services all parts of the country is vital.
    Indeed
    Living somewhere without a decent public broadcaster has shown me really how important the BBC is. Even in its current diminished state.
  • Jono62 29 Jun 2020 22:49:03 25,062 posts
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    @thelzdking What do they have in New Zealand?
  • thelzdking 29 Jun 2020 22:52:49 10,076 posts
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  • JamboWayOh 29 Jun 2020 23:16:48 19,356 posts
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    thelzdking wrote:
    They have a state broadcaster, bit
    But the quality is sub par?
  • thelzdking 29 Jun 2020 23:23:23 10,076 posts
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    @Jono62

    They have a state broadcaster (TVNZ), but it's underfunded and mostly plays bought-in low-brow content from the US, Aus and the UK: soap operas, CSI clones, property programmes, Eat Well for Less etc.

    Domestic programming is generally of the same ilk. There's a few decent comedies and dramas, but very little that's really worthwhile.

    Documentaries are largely bought-in crowd-pleasers, the few domestic ones tend to be about murders. Very rare to see something in-depth or serious.

    News is utterly woeful, even on TVNZ. Lots of meaningless human interest stories. Political coverage is very shallow.

    Breakfast news is halfway between BBC and GMTV. News at midday, evening and night, but it's mainly just coverage with little analysis. It's quite Americanised and dumbed-down. There's nothing like Newsnight.

    Part of this is to be expected because NZ is a small country, so it can't produce much domestic programming. I also suspect a lot of talent is forced to emigrate if they don't want to be a big fish in a small pond.

    TBF to the current affairs programming, there's frequently a lack of news in NZ. I've seen non-fatal car crashes as the lead story on the 6:00 news more than a few times. The lack of news is one of the best things about NZ and reminds you how quiet and peaceful it generally is here (bar natural disasters). But it doesn't excuse the general breeziness of news coverage.

    Sky obviously fills in some gaps, aside from news, but it's brutally expensive.

    There's also a Māori television channel, which, in contrast, broadcasts much more serious news focused on (obviously) Māori affairs. Likely because decades of te ao Māori being sidelined means that they're much more keenly aware of the importance of decent news. It also broadcasts a lot of serious non-Māori films.
  • thelzdking 29 Jun 2020 23:24:50 10,076 posts
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    JamboWayOh wrote:
    thelzdking wrote:
    They have a state broadcaster, bit
    But the quality is sub par?
    Of my posting skills, yes.
  • thelzdking 29 Jun 2020 23:27:37 10,076 posts
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    And I hope you all enjoy my essay on NZ telly.

    TL;DR: BBC-haters should be careful what they wish for.
  • glo 29 Jun 2020 23:46:30 3,685 posts
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    Imho the BBC's mistake (news wise at least) has been trying to appease the govt in the vain hope they wouldn't fuck them over anyway. The problem was it was a shit plan. They might as well tried standing up to the govt and died on their feet rather than on their knees.

    Most of their news output nowadays, apart from a few exceptions, has seemed little better than some dodgy state broadcaster in some former Soviet republic. I didn't always agree with them but I did used to have some respect for them as a relatively impartial and objective news source. I don't even bother watching any more. It's embarrassing.
  • JamboWayOh 29 Jun 2020 23:48:09 19,356 posts
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    thelzdking wrote:
    JamboWayOh wrote:
    thelzdking wrote:
    They have a state broadcaster, bit
    But the quality is sub par?
    Of my posting skills, yes.
    Being in upside down has made your writing all upside down.
  • thelzdking 29 Jun 2020 23:53:04 10,076 posts
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    We write using the other end of the pen down here.
  • JamboWayOh 29 Jun 2020 23:56:20 19,356 posts
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    Christ, next you'll be telling me your toilet water goes the other way round and you live in the future...

    Edited by JamboWayOh at 09:03:19 30-06-2020
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 30 Jun 2020 00:43:07 13,547 posts
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    captbirdseye wrote:
    Cummings has an obsession with following the US setup for public servants which is no bad thing in terms of updating SCS with fresh ideas every few years.

    The current system is a tad archaic and I've worked with so many that can barely turn on their PC let alone come up with innovate ideas. I have no faith in the Converatives doing this correctly.
    Getting people in who can do the job is a smart move

    Getting people in who are Team Cummings and will follow his orders less so
  • X201 30 Jun 2020 05:53:09 20,695 posts
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    So, Bozo is in the West Midlands this morning trying to evoke the spirit of Roosevelt for his “New deal” speech.
    I bet the dozy bugger funds the zombie motorway - The Western Orbital Route - surely even he isn’t stupid enough to force an unwanted motorway through 30 miles of prime Tory heartlands?

    The Western Orbital Route is the missing piece in the jigsaw, when you combine it with the M40, M42 and the M6 Toll you end up with the Midlands version of the M25, a road that has done wonders to ease traffic problems in London

    A better spend of the money around here would be on education, to give us back all of our libraries, museums and SureStart centres that we lost because of Gorgeous George Osborne’s austerity cuts.

    EDIT: No need to worry. It’s the usual schtick of re-announcing stuff and bringing forward already planned stuff.
    No new money, no “New deal” just the usual slight of hand and tongue

    Edited by X201 at 06:37:14 30-06-2020
  • Psychotext 30 Jun 2020 11:12:56 66,953 posts
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    X201 wrote:
    the usual slight of hand and tongue
    Was going to say this sounds sexy... then I remembered you were talking about Boris. 🤮
  • sport 30 Jun 2020 11:26:09 15,997 posts
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    Fuck me, the promises are coming thick and fast from Bojo now.
  • Dgzter 30 Jun 2020 11:51:21 3,209 posts
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    He is incapable of forming even a single sentence that doesn't devolve into either a vacuous sound bite or a meaningless platitude. Actually incapable. What a fucking pie.
  • Dougs 30 Jun 2020 12:14:14 94,086 posts
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    From what I can gather, there's nothing new in the announcement either. Just rebadged cash already committed
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 30 Jun 2020 12:16:29 13,547 posts
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    So big lash on Saturday

    Everything’s back to normal

    Don’t ask about Leicester or the dead

    Look over there it’s some money for schools that sounds like a large amount that isn’t large enough to compensate for the damage done by the cuts
  • Dgzter 30 Jun 2020 12:20:21 3,209 posts
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    Don't forget the hundreds of thousand extra police officers. They've got five signed up now, but it's just the start of an expansive programme of recruitment. We will protect our statues! I'm no communist.

    Edited by Dgzter at 12:21:46 30-06-2020
  • RichDC 30 Jun 2020 12:30:08 8,856 posts
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    It's all the sort of stuff you hear at the start of an election campaign. Not from a six month old parliament that's meant to have a clear defined plan.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 30 Jun 2020 12:46:59 13,547 posts
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    Got to distract from the disastrous pandemic handling and Starmer’s rising numbers
  • TheSaint 30 Jun 2020 13:06:00 19,577 posts
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    'Build, Build, Build'?

    I thought these guys were meant to be good at slogans?
  • IRWATWO 30 Jun 2020 13:39:08 702 posts
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    Classic Dom
  • elstoof 30 Jun 2020 14:17:26 25,682 posts
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    Jobs jobs jobs
  • elstoof 30 Jun 2020 14:17:51 25,682 posts
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    I mean, destiny’s child were doing this better back in the 90s
  • elstoof 30 Jun 2020 14:19:21 25,682 posts
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    Bills bills bills, jumpin jumpin, no no no, say my name say my name, all classics
  • sport 30 Jun 2020 14:21:53 15,997 posts
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    elstoof wrote:
    I mean, destiny’s child were doing this better back in the 90s
    SWV or GTFO

    +1 for Orcas
  • DJCopa 30 Jun 2020 14:26:56 2,276 posts
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    Theresa May laying into Gove and 'Experts'...

    https://twitter.com/johnestevens/status/1277932346797416448?s=20

    Let them eat each other - state of this government.

    Edited by DJCopa at 14:27:38 30-06-2020
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