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  • nickthegun 27 Jul 2020 15:15:25 82,291 posts
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    How well do five guys burgers freeze? Asking for a friend..

    Also: quarter pounders with cheese
  • Technoishmatt 27 Jul 2020 15:28:55 4,274 posts
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    brokenkey wrote:
    It's specifically so people who are classified as "rich"don't have to sell their homes to cover the costs (because they are too rich to get help from the local councils) everyone pays instead. That's about as Tory a thing as there can be.
    Almost 3/4 of people over 65 own their own homes (outright), so it affects quite a large part of the population.

    Looking at those over 40 is basically targeting those who are standing to inherit that huge amount of wealth.

    I dont know if 40 is the right age, but focusing payment on the next set of users seems fairer than including those eg just starting out at work. It is the same reason I think student loans as a graduate tax is fairer than just paying for it through general taxation (from which there is support as many will not pay off their loan).

    Edited by Technoishmatt at 15:29:22 27-07-2020
  • drhickman1983 27 Jul 2020 15:34:00 6,857 posts
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    I still plan to die before I require old age assistance so it does seem a bit unfair to pay more.
  • Not-a-reviewer 27 Jul 2020 16:08:10 6,309 posts
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    Technoishmatt wrote:
    brokenkey wrote:
    It's specifically so people who are classified as "rich"don't have to sell their homes to cover the costs (because they are too rich to get help from the local councils) everyone pays instead. That's about as Tory a thing as there can be.
    Almost 3/4 of people over 65 own their own homes (outright), so it affects quite a large part of the population.

    Looking at those over 40 is basically targeting those who are standing to inherit that huge amount of wealth.

    I dont know if 40 is the right age, but focusing payment on the next set of users seems fairer than including those eg just starting out at work. It is the same reason I think student loans as a graduate tax is fairer than just paying for it through general taxation (from which there is support as many will not pay off their loan).
    The education doesnít make too much sense when itís education that is necessary for society. We need doctors, engineers, accountants etc. Why should they get additional tax just because their parents didnít have the money sat in the bank to pay for them to get through uni.

    It punishes the less wealthy and helps keep them that way. The only sensible tax is one that taxes high earners more, with that percentage increasing the higher they get paid. Whether theyíre just starting or been working for 20 years shouldnít be relevant.

    Itís very hard to defend not having to pay a higher percentage once someone gets to £100k+ when those on low wages canít always feed themselves. Likewise people that own millions in property should pay more or have to sell some to cover the cost of the rest of their properties.
  • chopsen 27 Jul 2020 17:09:19 21,041 posts
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    My cynical take is that it's easier to get targetted taxes in place, like student loans and this new proposal, than an across the board tax like, say, increase income tax for everybody.

    Targetted means it only pisses off a minority of the electorate. As long as you don't do too many in quick succession, you can hopefully leave enough people untouched to remain electable.

    We don't *need* to have student loans. We can afford them via general taxation, and that is what will happen to the majority of the "debt" anyway as people default on them. The debt doesn't go away, and it falls to the treasury. It would obviously be affordable, because the graduates can afford it. Nobody would argue that we don't need a higher education sector, so why the fuck are we creating this overly complicated system of funding it? Because fuck you guys.

    Same with this. Nobody would argue that we should not fund social care properly. In fact people have been arguing for it for ages. It's a basic inherent social good. Why focus on people in the 40-60 bracket? Because fuck you guys, that's why.

    Just raise income tax. People who can afford pay more. Don't identity proxies for probably earning more, like being a graduate or being middle aged. Just fucking tax people who are earning more. Not hard is it?

    While we're at it, just merge NI and PAYE. Fucking nonsense tax system we have in this country. Do that and you'll collect more money *and* you can probably afford to raise the personal allowance.
  • JamboWayOh 27 Jul 2020 17:44:59 19,988 posts
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    I like Chopsen.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 27 Jul 2020 19:36:51 13,966 posts
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    Labour have lost control of Brighton & Hove Council due to resignations over anti-semitism. I donít know if they were pro or anti but the Greens have taken control

    https://leftfootforward.org/2020/07/greens-take-control-of-brighton-and-hove-council/
  • JamboWayOh 27 Jul 2020 19:47:36 19,988 posts
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    Hmmm, part of me suspects they believe it's all a conspiracy. I've become enormously cynical of late and I'm really trying to cut it out but I'm just getting that vibe.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 27 Jul 2020 19:54:37 13,966 posts
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    That itís even a question is problematic enough
  • elstoof 27 Jul 2020 19:57:29 25,868 posts
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    Just checked my postcode on the gov eat out register, absolutely fuck all places near me Iíd consider eating at during the best of times so looks like I wonít be helping out
  • JamboWayOh 27 Jul 2020 19:58:13 19,988 posts
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    simpleexplodingmaybe wrote:
    That itís even a question is problematic enough
    Absofuckinglutely this.
  • Psychotext 27 Jul 2020 21:10:30 67,168 posts
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    elstoof wrote:
    Just checked my postcode on the gov eat out register, absolutely fuck all places near me Iíd consider eating at during the best of times so looks like I wonít be helping out
    I read that initially as "gove eat out"... my imagination filled in his pobby face going to town and now I may have to drink my weight in vodka to get the image out.
  • Dougs 30 Jul 2020 13:43:21 94,622 posts
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    Elphicke guilty of sexual assault.

    https://news.sky.com/story/charlie-elphicke-trial-former-conservative-mp-found-guilty-of-sexual-assault-12037909
  • nickthegun 30 Jul 2020 13:55:04 82,291 posts
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    I dont know why they bothered withdrawing the whip (again). Im sure these days he could have continued to hold office from parkhurst.
  • Decks Best Forumite, 2016 30 Jul 2020 13:58:36 25,598 posts
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    Reminds of Vigo the Carpathian when his head swells up at the end in that picture.
  • nickthegun 30 Jul 2020 14:06:23 82,291 posts
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    I also like the tacit admission that being a tory is something to be ashamed of and an insult to be shouted out in sex games.
  • Dougs 30 Jul 2020 14:12:37 94,622 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    I dont know why they bothered withdrawing the whip (again). Im sure these days he could have continued to hold office from parkhurst.
    He quit at the last election. And the dumb fucks of Dover voted his wife in instead.
  • nickthegun 30 Jul 2020 14:14:40 82,291 posts
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    Theres a blue cloud over the dumb fucks of dover
  • Dougs 30 Jul 2020 14:16:27 94,622 posts
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    It's proper "stick a blue rosette on a donkey and they'll vote for it" territory.
  • Decks Best Forumite, 2016 30 Jul 2020 14:25:55 25,598 posts
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    That's most of England now isn't it?
  • TheSaint 30 Jul 2020 14:29:51 19,694 posts
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    Elphicke, who was MP for Dover between 2010 and 2019, had then chased her around his home chanting "I'm a naughty Tory", the woman said.
    🤮
  • nickthegun 30 Jul 2020 14:30:11 82,291 posts
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    Its an absolute hovel. The only surprise about it being tory is that it has enough permanent residents to even be worth having an MP in the first place.
  • TheSaint 30 Jul 2020 14:30:44 19,694 posts
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    I wonder if that is a common Tory fetish?
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 30 Jul 2020 14:55:25 13,966 posts
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    Who was it always wore a Chelsea shirt?
  • Dougs 30 Jul 2020 15:02:55 94,622 posts
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    David Mellor.
  • nickthegun 30 Jul 2020 15:02:55 82,291 posts
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    Mellor. He would have kept his job these days.
  • nickthegun 30 Jul 2020 15:03:02 82,291 posts
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    And archer.
  • TheSaint 30 Jul 2020 15:03:13 19,694 posts
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    David Mellor

    Edit: Too slow.

    Edited by TheSaint at 15:03:43 30-07-2020
  • JamboWayOh 30 Jul 2020 15:05:49 19,988 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    Mellor. He would have kept his job these days.
    I know right, things were so quaint back then
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 30 Jul 2020 16:33:41 13,966 posts
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    Neil Hamilton would probably Foreign Secretary
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