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Psychotext 69,155 posts
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RichDC 9,007 posts
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Registered 16 years agoPoor people would just trade peppers for crack. -
tadejpogacar 407 posts
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Registered 1 year agoKeir Starmer is not even going to win back the voters he's been continually dogwhistlnig to in the North of England AND every time he does so, he further alienates those he needs to win back in Scotland plus a lot of the BAME and precariat millenial coalition put on under the previous leadership. He's in quite a bind.
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brokenkey 10,726 posts
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Registered 19 years agoLook, it's not fair to complain the £30 Free School Meal boxes are looking a bit empty. The govt had joined-up plans to re-purpose confiscated ham sandwiches at Dover. It's not their fault that port traffic is down. -
nickthegun 84,512 posts
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Registered 15 years agoFunnily enough, I just saw Hannan on BBC politics cheerleading the destruction of workers rights as necessary to kickstart the economy.
Its vital companies are allowed to fuck people they hire over otherwise they may not hire them at all. Because, obviously, when you allow a company to save money on staff, they will reinvest it in staff and not, say, hoard the extra profit like an angry dragon.
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You-can-call-me-kal 22,315 posts
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Registered 15 years agotadejpogacar wrote:
The voting intention stats don’t reflect that.
Keir Starmer is not even going to win back the voters he's been continually dogwhistlnig to in the North of England AND every time he does so, he further alienates those he needs to win back in Scotland plus a lot of the BAME and precariat millenial coalition put on under the previous leadership. He's in quite a bind. -
Psychotext 69,155 posts
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Registered 15 years agonickthegun wrote:
Oh man... capitalism makes much, much more sense when it's put that way!
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General_Martok 1,669 posts
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Registered 5 years agotadejpogacar wrote:
Behold the reason this country will have to endure another 10 years of Conservative rule.
Keir Starmer is not even going to win back the voters he's been continually dogwhistlnig to in the North of England AND every time he does so, he further alienates those he needs to win back in Scotland plus a lot of the BAME and precariat millenial coalition put on under the previous leadership. He's in quite a bind.
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tadejpogacar 407 posts
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Registered 1 year agoWe'll have a first sign of how things are going with Locals and Scottish Elections in May (though Locals are likely to be pushed out to June/July). If the SNP win a majority that would be quite a black eye for both Westminster parties. -
General_Martok 1,669 posts
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Registered 5 years agoNot really. It doesn't change anything. -
tadejpogacar 407 posts
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Registered 1 year agoWhat? The Scottish election system is specifically engineered so that majorities are nigh impossible. This is why it was such a massive shock that the SNP achieved it in 2011 (which ultimately led the Edinburgh Agreement and Indyref.) For it to happen again would be massive - particularly if the SNP put a commitment for another Indyref in their manifesto. -
General_Martok 1,669 posts
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Registered 5 years agoI mean to the the rest of us. You guys can have independence. It won't make a difference to England. We'll still be in the grips of Tory power. -
DaM 17,595 posts
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Registered 19 years agotadejpogacar wrote:
Loads of "Unionist" propaganda coming out. Co-ordinated social media attacks on Sturgeon/SNP. An army of false accounts. Paid for advertising by brand new made up groups. Astroturfing with groups like ThemForUs Scotland.
We'll have a first sign of how things are going with Locals and Scottish Elections in May (though Locals are likely to be pushed out to June/July). If the SNP win a majority that would be quite a black eye for both Westminster parties.
Starmer isn't really helping. In Scotland, if you were a Labour voter, you are probably now an SNP voter. If you voted Remain, you are probably now an SNP voter. If you are middle of the road or slightly left wing, you are probably now an SNP voter.
What's left is largely hardcore gammons and Rangers fans.
They aren't putting forward a positive case for the UK, just keep pushing the "SNP have failed on health and education", which is bollocks. -
tadejpogacar 407 posts
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Registered 1 year agoI've never voted SNP before in my life but will be in May.
Keir Starmer keeps on draping himself in the Union Jack. Does he think Scottish people don't watch UK news? -
General_Martok 1,669 posts
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Registered 5 years agoGoodo. Enjoy independence. Say hi to the EU. Look forward to you guys denying us entry in 2060.
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You-can-call-me-kal 22,315 posts
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Registered 15 years agoYeah Scottish politics elude me a bit, but I can see how badly Labour have done and are doing there, and it’s going to be a huge factor in them not getting into power. In a way Scottish independence would actually be a good thing for Labour in a fucked up kind of sense. -
IRWATWO 949 posts
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Registered 1 year agoPsychotext wrote:
If you give them a whole carrot they'll just want another one, but perhaps an offcut will motivate them to go out and catch their own carrots - Govt Nudge Unit (now privatised and sold to Matt Hancocks bookie).
Graxlar_v3 wrote:
JOB CREATION, VALUE ADDING, TRICKLE DOWN!
It must cost more to have someone cut up & wrap the veg (which will go off super quickly) than it would do just to give them a whole pepper no? -
TheSaint 20,280 posts
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Registered 15 years agoThe worst part is the random lump of Tuna in the plastic cup. The food posing risk from that must be off the charts. -
Decks 28,417 posts
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Registered 5 years agoIt was a money bag. They're sending people a money bag half filled with tuna.
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Armoured_Bear 29,481 posts
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Registered 9 years agoI'm amazed at how much of a cunt Starmer is making of Scotland, the local leader is a laughing stock and Starmer's position of "no divisive referendum" is plain insulting likely to lose plenty of votes. -
drhickman1983 7,337 posts
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Registered 11 years agoSomething has gone utterly wrong with those contractors. It's just fucking demeaning, not to mention unhygienic.
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TheSaint 20,280 posts
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Registered 15 years agoDecks wrote:
This was the one I saw:
It was a money bag. They're sending people a money bag half filled with tuna.
https://twitter.com/LMT1180/status/1348751047242768387/photo/1
https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1348982986377744389?s=20
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DJCopa 2,464 posts
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Registered 14 years agodrhickman1983 wrote:
Exactly this.
Something has gone utterly wrong with those contractors. It's just fucking demeaning, not to mention unhygienic.
Of course nothing will come of it because well keep just voting those fuckers in.
Just give people the voucher for the food - Caveat of no alcohol or tobacco, job done.
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TheSaint 20,280 posts
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Registered 15 years agoHow are Tory donors supposed to skim money off the top of vouchers? -
DJCopa 2,464 posts
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Registered 14 years ago@TheSaint You got me there, although I'm sure one owns a paper mill. -
Psychotext 69,155 posts
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Registered 15 years agoDJCopa wrote:
The voucher has always worked that way. No lottery too (and a couple of other things I believe).
Just give people the voucher for the food - Caveat of no alcohol or tobacco, job done.
Degrading bullshit!
Remember, this is almost certainly because that cretininous Tory said they were swapping the vouchers for drugs / spending them in brothels.
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Dgzter 3,516 posts
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Registered 12 years agoDaM wrote:
Yeah. Twitter is an absolute sewer when it comes to any Scottish issue these days, aided and abetted by a national press that are almost exclusively pro-Union and anti-SNP. It's crazy watching them now piling all their hopes on Alex Salmond, whom they used to demonize relentlessly, being able to pin a minor breach of the ministerial code (a long shot) on Sturgeon in relation to his court case, desperately hoping that will lead to her resignation.
Loads of "Unionist" propaganda coming out. Co-ordinated social media attacks on Sturgeon/SNP. An army of false accounts. Paid for advertising by brand new made up groups. Astroturfing with groups like ThemForUs Scotland.
Starmer isn't really helping. In Scotland, if you were a Labour voter, you are probably now an SNP voter. If you voted Remain, you are probably now an SNP voter. If you are middle of the road or slightly left wing, you are probably now an SNP voter.
What's left is largely hardcore gammons and Rangers fans.
They aren't putting forward a positive case for the UK, just keep pushing the "SNP have failed on health and education", which is bollocks.
Labour's position in Scotland is really difficult, and for all their failures I do actually sympathize to an extent. Anecdotal, but having grown up in Glasgow literally every person I knew came from long-standing Labour voting families, and the vast majority of those now vote for the SNP. Setting aside all the nonsense that is frequently spouted in the press about nationalism and anti-English sentiment, the fact of the matter is that Scotland historically and culturally has predominantly always (with very few exceptions) voted to the left of centre or down the middle. Is it really of any surprise, then, that over a decade of Tory rule in Westminster, which in the last few years especially has seen a huge shift to the far right of the party, has been met with dismay north of the border? Add the debacle of Brexit on top, which regardless of the realities of it being a UK-wide vote (it was, I accept) still saw a monumental and quite literally life-changing decision being made against the democratic will of the majority of the Scottish people, and disillusionment with the Union and even a sense of disenfranchisement were sure to follow.
Honestly, Starmer's only play here is to acknowledge and accept that it is up to the Scottish people to decide if they want another referendum, support it happening, and then campaign for the Union. He is never going to attract back former Labour voters, the majority of whom have moved over to the SNP, if he is seen to be blocking the democratic will.
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Graxlar_v3 10,806 posts
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Registered 3 years agoDgzter wrote:
After Brexit, i cannot see any party leader offering a referendum as an olive branch again for a long long time.
DaM wrote:
Yeah. Twitter is an absolute sewer when it comes to any Scottish issue these days, aided and abetted by a national press that are almost exclusively pro-Union and anti-SNP. It's crazy watching them now piling all their hopes on Alex Salmond, whom they used to demonize relentlessly, being able to pin a minor breach of the ministerial code (a long shot) on Sturgeon in relation to his court case, desperately hoping that will lead to her resignation.
Loads of "Unionist" propaganda coming out. Co-ordinated social media attacks on Sturgeon/SNP. An army of false accounts. Paid for advertising by brand new made up groups. Astroturfing with groups like ThemForUs Scotland.
Starmer isn't really helping. In Scotland, if you were a Labour voter, you are probably now an SNP voter. If you voted Remain, you are probably now an SNP voter. If you are middle of the road or slightly left wing, you are probably now an SNP voter.
What's left is largely hardcore gammons and Rangers fans.
They aren't putting forward a positive case for the UK, just keep pushing the "SNP have failed on health and education", which is bollocks.
Labour's position in Scotland is really difficult, and for all their failures I do actually sympathize to an extent. Anecdotal, but having grown up in Glasgow literally every person I knew came from long-standing Labour voting families, and the vast majority of those now vote for the SNP. Setting aside all the nonsense that is frequently spouted in the press about nationalism and anti-English sentiment, the fact of the matter is that Scotland historically and culturally has predominantly always (with very few exceptions) voted to the left of centre or down the middle. Is it really of any surprise, then, that over a decade of Tory rule in Westminster, which in the last few years especially has seen a huge shift to the far right of the party, has been met with dismay north of the border? Add the debacle of Brexit on top, which regardless of the realities of it being a UK-wide vote (it was, I accept) still saw a monumental and quite literally life-changing decision being made against the democratic will of the majority of the Scottish people, and disillusionment with the Union and even a sense of disenfranchisement were sure to follow.
Honestly, Starmer's only play here is to acknowledge and accept that it is up to the Scottish people to decide if they want another referendum, support it happening, and then campaign for the Union. He is never going to attract back former Labour voters, the majority of whom have moved over to the SNP, if he is seen to be blocking the democratic will.
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Graxlar_v3 10,806 posts
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Registered 3 years agoI will say, I welcome the SNP's voice in westminister as Scottish issues should be heard. I just wish it wasn't at the expense of having an effective governing body. -
Graxlar_v3 wrote:
Starmer might have trouble denying one, mind, given his support for a 2nd Brexit referendum. There's a clear case to be made that the first Scottish referendum was, and should still be, the only one for a generation (i.e. a while yet), but Starmer would have a hard time making that case.
Dgzter wrote:
After Brexit, i cannot see any party leader offering a referendum as an olive branch again for a long long time.
DaM wrote:
Yeah. Twitter is an absolute sewer when it comes to any Scottish issue these days, aided and abetted by a national press that are almost exclusively pro-Union and anti-SNP. It's crazy watching them now piling all their hopes on Alex Salmond, whom they used to demonize relentlessly, being able to pin a minor breach of the ministerial code (a long shot) on Sturgeon in relation to his court case, desperately hoping that will lead to her resignation.
Loads of "Unionist" propaganda coming out. Co-ordinated social media attacks on Sturgeon/SNP. An army of false accounts. Paid for advertising by brand new made up groups. Astroturfing with groups like ThemForUs Scotland.
Starmer isn't really helping. In Scotland, if you were a Labour voter, you are probably now an SNP voter. If you voted Remain, you are probably now an SNP voter. If you are middle of the road or slightly left wing, you are probably now an SNP voter.
What's left is largely hardcore gammons and Rangers fans.
They aren't putting forward a positive case for the UK, just keep pushing the "SNP have failed on health and education", which is bollocks.
Labour's position in Scotland is really difficult, and for all their failures I do actually sympathize to an extent. Anecdotal, but having grown up in Glasgow literally every person I knew came from long-standing Labour voting families, and the vast majority of those now vote for the SNP. Setting aside all the nonsense that is frequently spouted in the press about nationalism and anti-English sentiment, the fact of the matter is that Scotland historically and culturally has predominantly always (with very few exceptions) voted to the left of centre or down the middle. Is it really of any surprise, then, that over a decade of Tory rule in Westminster, which in the last few years especially has seen a huge shift to the far right of the party, has been met with dismay north of the border? Add the debacle of Brexit on top, which regardless of the realities of it being a UK-wide vote (it was, I accept) still saw a monumental and quite literally life-changing decision being made against the democratic will of the majority of the Scottish people, and disillusionment with the Union and even a sense of disenfranchisement were sure to follow.
Honestly, Starmer's only play here is to acknowledge and accept that it is up to the Scottish people to decide if they want another referendum, support it happening, and then campaign for the Union. He is never going to attract back former Labour voters, the majority of whom have moved over to the SNP, if he is seen to be blocking the democratic will.
I don't think you Scots are going to get another say in the union again I am afraid.
The two issues are clearly not identical, but politically they would quickly become entwined. To be honest, I can't really see how there won't be a 2nd Scottish referendum before the end of the decade.
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