Following UK Politics Thread Page 784

  • chopsen 12 Apr 2021 13:37:53 21,874 posts
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    This is the system operating as intended though.

    The main point any of these people go in to politics is to increase their worth to future employers. You think the millionaires in the current cabinet need the £175k or whatever it is and can't earn similar elsewhere for less hassle? The big bucks come with what they do *after* being an MP.

    Lobbying isn't illegal.

    Edited by chopsen at 13:38:17 12-04-2021
  • Matt_B 12 Apr 2021 13:44:52 510 posts
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    @chopsen Ok thats interesting, I'd imagine that ad-hoc payments to staff would be a disaster then.
  • Load_2.0 12 Apr 2021 13:52:18 33,039 posts
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    The whole thing is a mess. Especially the tender process for PPE. Rather than going through the established frameworks there were email flying back and forth between cronies to secure absurd sums of money.

    Hundreds of millions in profit, "brokers" taking huge cuts. Corrupt AF.
  • Deleted user 12 April 2021 13:56:00
    There is a parliamentary oversight committee which is meant to block ministers from lobbying or working on behalf of companies were there ministerial knowledge could be used. However because the committee is staffed by MPs who themselves are angling for cushy consultancy contracts no appointments are ever blocked even in cases of clear conflict of interest.

    Itís been a bugbear of Private Eye. For some years they have an annual round up of the worst offenders.
  • JamboWayOh 12 Apr 2021 15:18:35 23,783 posts
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    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/apr/12/tommy-robinson-asked-wealthy-us-backers-help-claim-asylum

    Another dirty refugee trying to get into the beautiful USA. They really need to build that wall.
  • RyanDS 12 Apr 2021 16:20:32 13,963 posts
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    Matt_B wrote:
    So this David Cameron Greensill Capital scandal I'm having trouble wrapping my head around it.

    He met with Hancock to discuss a new payment method for NHS staff. BBC reported that it allowed staff to be paid early for hours they had already worked, it went on to be used by some NHS trusts.

    They also reported that Cameron helped to convince the UK government to set up a supply chain finance scheme for pharmacies - paying them early for money they were owed by the NHS.

    I have no idea why these services are even needed!? Since when does the NHS not pay it's bills on time or its wages? I'm sure being paid early is nice flexibly to have, but if staff really did require it I'm sure it could be done in house.

    Did they essentially move public money into the private sector so they could bet on it, are these services classes as government backed loans?

    Also what did they charge the trust's for the payment method on wages? Who covers the fee for early payment to the pharmacies?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-56578838
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56706619
    I Worked on this before it went a bit squiffy. I obviously can't talk about Greensill etc but the general model is becoming common.

    Basically if you work Friday, instead of waiting until next Friday for pay day you can get paid on Saturday. Well a percentage a least, say 20%. This is good as the nhs is the largest user of payday loans in the uk, so getting £20 of your wages early to pay for that taxi is a big benefit.

    With good education and incentives it can break the debt cycle.

    Again I can't take about financially etc, but this is genuinely a good thing if the trust/ employer is willing to take the small hit.

    Edit. This can't be done in house as that is always geared for pushing payments. Ad hoc drawdown access is a different kettle of fish.

    Edited by RyanDS at 16:22:18 12-04-2021
  • chopsen 12 Apr 2021 16:38:17 21,874 posts
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    Load_2.0 wrote:
    The whole thing is a mess. Especially the tender process for PPE. Rather than going through the established frameworks there were email flying back and forth between cronies to secure absurd sums of money.

    Hundreds of millions in profit, "brokers" taking huge cuts. Corrupt AF.
    Yeah.

    The lack of open tender is an issue, but that's not Cameron's fault. That's the failure of the govt.

    They hid behind the need to get things done quickly as part of the response to COVID. Which is sort of justifiable, but also shady as fuck that the providers they ended up going with were their mates from down the pub.
  • RGeefe 12 Apr 2021 16:40:37 1,964 posts
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    @RyanDS To clarify - is it the NHS itself that is using payday loans or the NHS staff? EG - the nurse has to rely on payday loans to get through til the end of the month pay?
  • Dougs 12 Apr 2021 16:51:25 99,066 posts
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    Staff, I imagine
  • sport 12 Apr 2021 16:56:16 16,837 posts
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    Justice will prevail as always.
  • RyanDS 12 Apr 2021 16:56:25 13,963 posts
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    RGeefe wrote:
    @RyanDS To clarify - is it the NHS itself that is using payday loans or the NHS staff? EG - the nurse has to rely on payday loans to get through til the end of the month pay?
    Nhs staff.

    So idea is as an alternative (because obviously raising wages is off the table...)

    You earn £500 a week. Every day we let you have £20 if you want. This has no fees, no interest etc and is explicitly based on you already earning it. So tides you over, then on payday you get 360 which covers your bills.

    Not perfect, but it genuinely is better than borrowing 50 then paying back 70 on payday.
  • IRWATWO 13 Apr 2021 10:04:18 1,159 posts
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    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/13/tories-accused-of-corruption-and-nhs-privatisation-by-former-chief-scientist

    Our despicable lying mendacious cunt of a PM is tearing down so much of what makes this country a decent place to live. Not surprising, but upsetting for future generations who will look back on the world we enjoyed with some envy. His many and various Johnson Cuckoos will no doubt be well looked after of course, so no real biggy.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 13 Apr 2021 10:08:11 17,465 posts
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    Johnson is really forcing the case for independence and splitting the union with his England-only governing
  • IRWATWO 13 Apr 2021 10:20:53 1,159 posts
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    I think I despise him so much because he is the very, very, very worst of our generation.

    When they say 'The more someone wants power, the further they should be kept from it', he is Exhibit A. And the UK made him PM.
  • Immaterial 13 Apr 2021 12:34:01 2,562 posts
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    It's all that Etonian effortless superiority, innit.

    https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v41/n13/james-wood/diary (long, but an interesting read on how the other 2% (and some bright 'poorer' kids) live.
  • DaM 13 Apr 2021 15:47:41 17,681 posts
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    I have no idea why these services are even needed!? Since when does the NHS not pay it's bills on time or its wages?
    Getting money off NHS Trusts in England takes ages sometimes. They are very big organisations with a lot of levels.

    We know we'll get it eventually, but some of them are so bad at it you question whether they are really that rubbish or doing it on purpose.

    Many were in serious debt (to the Gov) at the start of the pandemic. The debt was written off (sort of).
  • Deleted user 13 April 2021 16:24:26
    As someone who studied ancient history at University. My warning that Boris Johnson was a megalomaniac is in his idealisation of Pericles as "the father of democracy".

    Anyone who has ever read thesis history of the Peloponnesian War will know that Pericles founded the Athenian Empire which through a campaign of terror, threats, and rampant extortion of its Greek neighbours set it on a course of tyranny that directly led to its destruction by the oligarchic Spartans. I imagine if you are rich and landed person which Johnson is and Pericles thought of as the ideal citizen you would consider this tyrant to be a champion of all you hold dear. Fuck business, fuck the metics

    But I imagine Johnson never actually finished the book and just stopped after Pericles's funeral oration.

    Edited by whatfruits at 16:28:48 13-04-2021
  • brokenkey 13 Apr 2021 23:27:05 10,948 posts
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    RyanDS wrote:
    .

    Basically if you work Friday, instead of waiting until next Friday for pay day you can get paid on Saturday. Well a percentage a least, say 20%. This is good as the nhs is the largest user of payday loans in the uk, so getting £20 of your wages early to pay for that taxi is a big benefit.
    It's a benefit the first time, but only the first time. The next time you get paid 4 days early, it's still 7 days after you last got paid.

    I'm aware of some banks offering on current accounts as a perk for their customers, but if employers are offering it to save their staff going to pay day loans, they should offer better pay.
  • captbirdseye 14 Apr 2021 11:32:33 10,798 posts
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    Farage being baited on Cameo is glorious.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 14 Apr 2021 13:25:00 17,465 posts
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    British Gas pulling a mass fire and rehire is pretty f-ing dodgy
  • JamboWayOh 14 Apr 2021 13:43:30 23,783 posts
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    https://mobile.twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1381633584159723522

    Christ he really is embarrassing and a total fucking tool. I can see why Richard Ayoade in no shape or form wants to be connected to him.
  • IRWATWO 14 Apr 2021 16:01:59 1,159 posts
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    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/apr/14/ministers-veto-reappointment-of-two-women-to-channel-4-board

    Ofcom make a recommendation, Tories say fuck off we'll do what we want. Just one more example of greater political control over the media, of this government pulling shit no-one else has, basically of what happens when you put people like Johnson Mogg Gove in charge.
  • Not-a-reviewer 14 Apr 2021 18:47:51 7,309 posts
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    JamboWayOh wrote:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1381633584159723522

    Christ he really is embarrassing and a total fucking tool. I can see why Richard Ayoade in no shape or form wants to be connected to him.
    But heís sat on the table at the far end.
  • Your-Mother 14 Apr 2021 18:49:44 7,368 posts
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    Fairly certain that is not him.
  • RGeefe 14 Apr 2021 19:11:58 1,964 posts
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    I don't know who that person is
  • Load_2.0 14 Apr 2021 19:28:00 33,039 posts
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    That's Denzel bro.
  • JamboWayOh 14 Apr 2021 20:21:00 23,783 posts
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    RGeefe wrote:
    I don't know who that person is
    He's Moss from The IT Crowd and Fox's brother in law.
  • Deleted user 14 April 2021 21:24:12
    IRWATWO wrote:
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/apr/14/ministers-veto-reappointment-of-two-women-to-channel-4-board

    Ofcom make a recommendation, Tories say fuck off we'll do what we want. Just one more example of greater political control over the media, of this government pulling shit no-one else has, basically of what happens when you put people like Johnson Mogg Gove in charge.
    BE PURE, BE VIGILANT, BEHAVE.
  • Immaterial 15 Apr 2021 00:05:46 2,562 posts
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    Easy there, Torquemada.
  • TechnoHippy 15 Apr 2021 08:45:11 19,001 posts
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    Credo!
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