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  • Phattso 24 Jun 2020 21:59:42 25,306 posts
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    The mid-gen refresh is a tap in; a bit more power, but in a chassis smaller than the fucking Eiffel Tower.
  • Ror 24 Jun 2020 22:09:48 20,096 posts
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    Nah, go all out and make one the size of Tokyo Skytree.
  • Phattso 24 Jun 2020 22:12:40 25,306 posts
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    Actually. If they had the red and white paint job Iíd probably go for it. :)
  • Ror 24 Jun 2020 22:15:31 20,096 posts
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    That's Tokyo Tower! This is Skytree:

  • Phattso 24 Jun 2020 23:16:17 25,306 posts
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    Oh yes! That one was shit. ;-)
  • Ror 24 Jun 2020 23:25:10 20,096 posts
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    Yeah, but it's pretty big. I reckon you could cram at least seven PS5s in there.
  • Technoishmatt 25 Jun 2020 00:00:46 4,130 posts
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    Well the ps5.5 would be needed to get up to xsx spec...
  • davidfowles 25 Jun 2020 02:40:52 139 posts
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    I mean, do we even know if the PS4 Pro / Xbox 3.5 (?) experiments were even financially successful? There seems to be satisfied Pro owners (Iím one) but I was also a satisfied GameCube owner.

    Iím guessing the numbers on the Pro and X-thing would play into who tries a mid gen boost console again. If PS5 is hugely expensive it may just drive Pro sales until their smaller/cheaper PS5 comes out in a few years, and if the power boost is all that, why make a PS5 Pro at all? For 8k TVs? 8k sounds like stupidity for me, but Iím still on 1080P.
  • up_the_ante 25 Jun 2020 03:15:53 1,324 posts
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    Are we not getting a little beyond ourselves here? I mean who was asking if the PS4 Pro was necessary before the PS4 even came out?
  • Saul_Iscariot 25 Jun 2020 03:37:19 3,716 posts
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    @davidfowles But the GameCube was a fantastic console. If the PS5.5 offers as much fun then I would want it. Sonyís first party offerings have gotten better with each generation, but, for me at least, I get more enjoyment from Nintendo.

    And I say that as someone who owns a PS4, PS4 slim a Pro.
  • davidfowles 25 Jun 2020 04:27:26 139 posts
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    My point with the GameCube is that no one bought one (except us enlightened 20 million or so) and it was considered a failure for Nintendo, despite having arguably the best catalogue and controllers. The mid-gen refreshes (if thatís what weíre calling them) donít bring anything new at all in terms of games or features, just some graphical and performance sheen. That was enough to get me in, but it doesnít translate necessarily to a successful product for Sony/MS that theyíll wish to repeat.

    I reckon they will though, based on nothing.
  • dominalien 25 Jun 2020 05:44:48 9,598 posts
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    up_the_ante wrote:
    Are we not getting a little beyond ourselves here? I mean who was asking if the PS4 Pro was necessary before the PS4 even came out?
    It was necessary because MS was doing the 1X. IDK who had the idea first, but once the other caught wind of it they basically had no choice.
  • davidfowles 25 Jun 2020 06:33:06 139 posts
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    They were both driven by 4K TV support, and probably helped along at Microsoft by the base Xbox One being a bag of shit.
  • dominalien 25 Jun 2020 07:56:15 9,598 posts
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    Oh yeah, and that.

    :-)
  • SnackPlissken 25 Jun 2020 08:48:09 1,858 posts
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    I'm glad I never splashed out on a pro. To me minimal graphical enhancements isn't really something to shout about. I've played nearly every major first party release and never once did I go.. ah could have had that gain.
  • ghearoid 25 Jun 2020 11:40:40 3,574 posts
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    up_the_ante wrote:
    Are we not getting a little beyond ourselves here? I mean who was asking if the PS4 Pro was necessary before the PS4 even came out?
    Well, some online 'enthusiasts' have been waiting for a Switch Pro for 3+ years and discuss it as if it exists and argue about specs.

    That said, I'll be observing the PS5 launch from a distance and only thinking about getting one if they ever release a smaller digital version. My launch PS2 and PS3 both went kaput so I'm willing to wait for a hardware revision.
  • Armoured_Bear 25 Jun 2020 11:47:50 28,823 posts
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    SnackPlissken wrote:
    I'm glad I never splashed out on a pro. To me minimal graphical enhancements isn't really something to shout about. I've played nearly every major first party release and never once did I go.. ah could have had that gain.
    I'm so glad I did, when you have a 4k telly, better image quality of higher/more stable framerate is well worth it.
  • erniewhatbert 25 Jun 2020 11:48:18 3,068 posts
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    The key feature of the PS4 Pro for me was better quality remote play streaming, but when I get to use the TV I definitely enjoy the 'cleaner' image quality in many games, from the downsampling to 1080p.

    (Neither are essential features, but in my case I'd already given my base PS4 away and got a Pro to play Read Dead Redemption 2).

    Edited by erniewhatbert at 11:49:55 25-06-2020
  • beastmaster 25 Jun 2020 12:19:52 20,704 posts
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    DF were speculating that the back on the PS5 coyly have the VR breakout box integrated in there somehow for a much cleaner look.
  • beastmaster 25 Jun 2020 12:43:52 20,704 posts
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    It was just speculation on their part. Maybe theyíve done something so that it could be used for something else if desired? Find out soon enough.
  • dominalien 25 Jun 2020 14:17:15 9,598 posts
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    It's big enough for that, that's for sure.

    And there are features in already that people won't use and have to pay for, like wifi or the optical port. Thank god they at least didn't push the RJ45 on us. If they're looking to expand VR with the PS5 it'd make sense to integrate it in the design.

    Also, presumably, the breakout box doesn't do anything too advanced. There's image warping, head tracking, 3D audio. The latter can certainly be done using a fraction of the processing time of the new audio solution, and the former two can conceivably be handled by the same hardware as in the breakout box now, already benefitting from a few years on the market and economies of scale price-wise.
  • Armoured_Bear 25 Jun 2020 14:43:42 28,823 posts
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    Yep, thank fuck no space is wasted on teh RJ45
  • DFawkes Friendliest Forumite, 2016 25 Jun 2020 16:50:41 32,463 posts
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    MrAGSystems wrote:
    WiFi and optical are part of basic connectivity and functionality, not for attaching a bespoke peripheral that maybe 10 to 20% of your user base will buy. And an integrated breakout box will cost significantly more than either of those.
    It's unlikely it would need much additional hardware. The console itself can do most of what the breakout box did. Namely, the box did the 3D audio, which we know the PS5 has hardware support for, and it flattened the image for the TV output (the PS4 itself did the VR part). Switch the order by having the PS5 output the flat image before it processes the VR output and it could do that too. You probably wouldn't need additional hardware inside for any sort of processing.

    The only part the console is unlikely to be able to do as is would be the ports for connecting the headset. To be fair I'm not sure they'd add those given most people wouldn't use them.
  • BigOrkWaaagh 25 Jun 2020 17:03:39 9,369 posts
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    MrAGSystems wrote:
    WiFi and optical are part of basic connectivity and functionality, not for attaching a bespoke peripheral that maybe 10 to 20% of your user base will buy. And an integrated breakout box will cost significantly more than either of those.
    PS4 has a bespoke port for the camera.
  • stephenb 27 Jun 2020 08:25:42 3,473 posts
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    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    Yep, thank fuck no space is wasted on teh RJ45
    I love that this has now crossed console generations!
  • BrokenStones 27 Jun 2020 14:15:45 5 posts
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    So what do we think the "all new UI" will bring ? PS4 one was a bit basic, but it got the job done. I hope they don't make it more like the xbox one, which has always struck me as a bit of a mess.
  • SolidSCB 27 Jun 2020 15:46:23 12,501 posts
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    Hopefully it's just a natural evolution of the PS4's. I couldn't stand my main console having 8000 things vomited onto the screen like the XB1.
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