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  • Malek86 14 Sep 2020 19:54:28 10,521 posts
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    And let's face it, the real interesting games will probably receive a remaster or at least re-release on a more modern platform (except Majin, because Namco sucks).

    Backward compatiblity is mostly for the retro enthusiasts and cheapskates. I count myself proudly in both categories, but I know it's nowhere near a big market.

    Speaking of that, though, I've played quite a few 360 games in the last couple years since the BC program started. So the program has been very useful for me. It's just that they were almost all digital, not on disc.

    Edited by Malek86 at 20:06:20 14-09-2020
  • You-can-call-me-kal 14 Sep 2020 20:18:47 20,707 posts
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    Malek86 wrote:
    And let's face it, the real interesting games will probably receive a remaster or at least re-release on a more modern platform (except Majin, because Namco sucks).

    Backward compatiblity is mostly for the retro enthusiasts and cheapskates. I count myself proudly in both categories, but I know it's nowhere near a big market.

    Speaking of that, though, I've played quite a few 360 games in the last couple years since the BC program started. So the program has been very useful for me. It's just that they were almost all digital, not on disc.
    Well, seems like the new thing will be old games getting remastered on new platforms for free. Another advantage of digital.
  • Nazo 14 Sep 2020 21:13:41 1,445 posts
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    Unless it’s like the Warcraft 3 remaster where they take away more than they add.
  • Bazooklad 15 Sep 2020 13:09:44 143 posts
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    Happy with these prices?

    Multiple images have surfaced from a major Spanish retailer that may have revealed the PS5 price. Photos from El Corte Inglés appeared overnight, potentially revealing the cost of both versions of the upcoming console ahead of official word from Sony.


    one version of the PS5 will cost €499.90 ($594/£460), while the other will cost €399.90 ($475/£369). The digital-only version of the console is very likely to be the cheaper version.
  • dfunked09 15 Sep 2020 13:13:16 286 posts
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    I was prepared for anything up to £600 prior to the Series X price announcement, so anything less than that is gravy really. Very happy with around the £460 mark, but would've imagined some undercutting for the less powerful of the two. (yeah yeah, custom nvme...)
  • Bichii 15 Sep 2020 13:25:13 3,466 posts
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    Apparently they've cut their initial production by 4 million, ouch. Liking the rumour of a near £350 digital version, I'd be all over that version if it's that much less. I'd only miss out on a few box games that I have but I could just buy them digital dirt cheap down the line.
  • Derblington 15 Sep 2020 13:37:51 33,905 posts
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    Yeah, manufacturing problems. Still, 11 million projected isn’t to sniff at.
  • Blackmarsh63 15 Sep 2020 13:45:01 3,597 posts
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    Chip yields down as low as 50% 😮
  • Phattso 15 Sep 2020 14:06:13 25,766 posts
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    I wonder if that's just down to having to bin for the ones that'll run the GPU at 2GHz+.

    Edited by Phattso at 14:06:23 15-09-2020
  • PierrePressure 15 Sep 2020 14:14:06 1,159 posts
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    Did I imagine the 360 having similar yield issues?
  • Decks Best Forumite, 2016 15 Sep 2020 14:28:55 26,435 posts
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    What does low chip yield mean you filthy nerds?
  • stephenb 15 Sep 2020 14:31:09 3,499 posts
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    Their crops of bountiful chip trees are not so bountiful.
  • brokenkey 15 Sep 2020 14:34:55 10,582 posts
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    Blackmarsh63 wrote:
    Chip yields down as low as 50% 😮
    I went through 3 zx spectrums before I found a reliable one.

    I went through 5 Atari VCSs before we had one that didn't break.

    Kids today, don't know they are born.
  • Psiloc 15 Sep 2020 14:36:26 5,663 posts
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    Decks wrote:
    What does low chip yield mean you filthy nerds?
    A low number of chips are coming off the assembly line in working order
  • captbirdseye 15 Sep 2020 14:37:36 9,884 posts
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    They shipped less than that number of PS4's last time so I doubt it's anything to be concerned about. It's likely to be manufacturing/workforce problems due to Covid and having fit a bigger chip on smaller wafer. Also the article says 'as low as'.
  • Decks Best Forumite, 2016 15 Sep 2020 14:40:47 26,435 posts
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    Psiloc wrote:
    Decks wrote:
    What does low chip yield mean you filthy nerds?
    A low number of chips are coming off the assembly line in working order
    Oh that sounds pretty bad. I imagine that's quite costly.
  • captbirdseye 15 Sep 2020 14:46:16 9,884 posts
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    It's also old news in some regards as the Series X tech presentaitons highlighted lower yield.
  • Malek86 15 Sep 2020 14:51:33 10,521 posts
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    @captbirdseye the 7nm process has some issues still. Sony however must have made things even worse by clocking the GPU so damn high.

    I wonder if, in Microsoft's case, they could repurpose the faulty chips as Series S?
  • captbirdseye 15 Sep 2020 14:54:29 9,884 posts
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    The GPU clock could be an issue but I doubt it very much. This could've been peak lockdown news and manufacturing is probably sorted now. I mean this isn't solely a console issue either as Nvidia seem to be having similar issues. And if the launch of these consoles is anything like Nvidia then it's going to be a cluster fuck.
  • Phattso 15 Sep 2020 14:59:32 25,766 posts
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    Malek86 wrote:
    I wonder if, in Microsoft's case, they could repurpose the faulty chips as Series S?
    I wondered that, but I don't think so due to the drastically different RAM arrangement. If it were just GPU core differences then for sure. But it's not.
  • Malek86 15 Sep 2020 15:13:58 10,521 posts
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    @Phattso would it even matter? Even if they have 10+6GB of memory, if the operating system only sees 8+2GB, that's what you are gonna get, presumably. Same for the CPU/GPU clocks and number of enabled CUs. Not sure about RAM clocks though...

    Would be pretty interesting if some S series were actually de-powered X chips. Maybe games with dynamic resolution could run faster due to the higher clocked memory. Did someone say silicon lottery?

    Edited by Malek86 at 15:14:29 15-09-2020
  • Ron_Justice 15 Sep 2020 15:15:11 3,242 posts
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    Sure this has been shared before, but just in case, this is an interesting refresher:

  • Nazo 15 Sep 2020 15:45:28 1,445 posts
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    I guess that image is quite old? Unless there has been no inflation for the last 7 years...
  • Ron_Justice 15 Sep 2020 15:47:01 3,242 posts
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    @Nazo Yeah, probably made near the release of the XB1 and the PS4.

    Edited by Ron_Justice at 15:49:57 15-09-2020
  • Ron_Justice 15 Sep 2020 15:48:20 3,242 posts
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    Updated version:



    Most surprising things - Master System cost more than the Mega Drive and the adjusted price of the original Playstation - almost $500 today...

    Edited by Ron_Justice at 15:53:20 15-09-2020
  • Psiloc 15 Sep 2020 16:08:52 5,663 posts
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    Gotta admire the brass neck on Panasonic with the 3DO

    That's almost 2 PS3s!
  • KD 15 Sep 2020 16:10:26 2,888 posts
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    That Neo Geo tho.
  • lordofthedunce 15 Sep 2020 16:13:13 678 posts
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    Psiloc wrote:
    Gotta admire the brass neck on Panasonic with the 3DO

    That's almost 2 PS3s!
    I went halves on one with my brother and even then it felt expensive. I spent a long time playing NFS, Road Rash and Samurai Shodown but I always felt a little ripped off in my heart.
  • Nazo 15 Sep 2020 16:14:02 1,445 posts
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    Interesting that both the mid-gen refresh consoles were cheaper than the base unit launch prices, somehow in my mind I thought they were priced slightly higher but apparently they were the same dollar cost.

    Edited by Nazo at 16:15:51 15-09-2020
  • Phattso 15 Sep 2020 16:18:17 25,766 posts
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    Malek86 wrote:
    @Phattso would it even matter? Even if they have 10+6GB of memory, if the operating system only sees 8+2GB, that's what you are gonna get, presumably. Same for the CPU/GPU clocks and number of enabled CUs. Not sure about RAM clocks though...

    Would be pretty interesting if some S series were actually de-powered X chips. Maybe games with dynamic resolution could run faster due to the higher clocked memory. Did someone say silicon lottery?
    Yeah, good point. I guess it depends on how well software designed to run on different width RAM lanes would execute on the next tier up of hardware. Might introduce some odd artefacts. I guess they might be able to tweak it to behave in a sensible way.

    You'd imagine MS would have thought of it at least - something with almost a third of the GPU CUs and a lower CPU frequency would be able to make use of even heavily bollocksed Series X chips. :)
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