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I'd heard of Bob Lazar before but always dismissed him as some UFO quack and never bothered reading or listening to him, but holy crap in this Joe Rogan interview he's either telling the truth or one of the worlds greatest liars. |
Bob Lazar
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up_the_ante 1,574 posts
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Fab4 8,924 posts
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Registered 15 years agoI saw the documentary on him on Netflix. He certainly doesn't seem like your average UFO nutjob and some of his story appears to be true, in that he was at Los Alamos at the time he said he was (even though they say they never heard of him).
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up_the_ante 1,574 posts
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Registered 14 years agoYeah I’m still on the fence too. He just seems a lot more credible than anyone that’s had stories in the past. -
fontgeeksogood 12,913 posts
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Registered 3 years agoMe: hmm, well if JOE ROGAN had him on he must be legit
(30 seconds of Google)
Lazar states that he holds a master's degree in physics from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and a master's degree in electronic technology from California Institute of Technology (Caltech). Investigations into his background could not find any records of Lazar ever having attended either institution
Okay, well, we've all maybe uhh, exaggerated to get a job, that doesn't necessarily make him a bad person. What else do we have
In 1990 Lazar was convicted of a felony for installing surveillance equipment at a brothel.
BRO HAVE YOU EVEN SEEN GORILLAS? HA HAAAAA SON THEY WILL FUCK YOU UUUUP -
up_the_ante 1,574 posts
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Registered 14 years agoYeah I heard there were no records of him studying at these places so I dismissed him on that basis, but he explains in the interview that the government have been erasing his education history and various other things to discredit him, but he has photographic proof that he worked at said places. -
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Registered 14 years agoYeah I heard there were no records of him studying at these places so I dismissed him on that basis, but he explains in the interview that the government have been erasing his education history and various other things to discredit him, but he has photographic proof that he worked at said places. -
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Thanks for posting this. Very interesting. -
Fake_Blood 11,093 posts
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Registered 12 years agoHaven’t watched this but I remember at the time that he said the spaceships were made from element 115 (un-un-pentium) which had anti-gravity properties. We have since been able to make elements up to 118 in small quantities and they don’t have any peculiar properties. So I think he is a crackpot that was just throwing around 80s sciency buzzwords. -
JamboWayOh 25,236 posts
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Registered 8 years agoFake_Blood wrote:
I saw the podcast and he actually said the fuel source for the reactor that he worked on trying to reverse engineer used element 115. He never knew what the craft was made from as hr wasn't involved in metallurgy only propulsion. He didn't say the fuel source had anti gravity properties he said the reactor that it powered created an anti gravity field. Is he full of shit or not, honestly no one fucking knows, stranger things have happened.
Haven’t watched this but I remember at the time that he said the spaceships were made from element 115 (un-un-pentium) which had anti-gravity properties. We have since been able to make elements up to 118 in small quantities and they don’t have any peculiar properties. So I think he is a crackpot that was just throwing around 80s sciency buzzwords.
For the record I totally believe life exists in other forms, obviously there is the argument that why hasn't there been a public mass contact effort. In that situation I'm of the belief that it's down to country superiority if one country has made contact and wishes to keep it secret for issues of power and also how does the average person deal with that kind of information going about their daily life, it would cause major disruption and have a catastrophic effect to world religions questioning the idea of God or whatnot.
Edited by JamboWayOh at 15:29:24 22-06-2019 -
I'd love it to be true. I like the guy and enjoyed the podcast. I just think if he was telling the truth he'd of had an 'accident' long before now. -
JamboWayOh 25,236 posts
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Registered 8 years agoAddy__ wrote:
Maybe, or as most people are concerned about who won love Island, paying bills, when the next big media release is, celebrity news and the politics of today, you could let someone let like Lazar say this stuff and he would be totally drowned out and ignored.
I'd love it to be true. I like the guy and enjoyed the podcast. I just think if he was telling the truth he'd of had an 'accident' long before now. -
JamboWayOh wrote:
Aye true.
Addy__ wrote:
Maybe, or as most people are concerned about who won love Island, paying bills, when the next big media release is, celebrity news and the politics of today, you could let someone let like Lazar say this stuff and he would be totally drowned out and ignored.
I'd love it to be true. I like the guy and enjoyed the podcast. I just think if he was telling the truth he'd of had an 'accident' long before now. -
I must say, it is rather compelling. I am not really sure what to make of it.
One thing I do know is that the documentary guy was very confusing and over-energised. He kept rambling loads of things that didn't connect or make much sense. Kind of reminded me of religious people I know. -
wobbly_Bob 5,162 posts
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Registered 15 years agoI personally think that he is full of it.
The facts are:
* Although he says he went to Caltec and MIT there are no records of him having studdied there. He counters that with hey erased his past records. OK, sure, but nobody remembers him? Nobody? I've always been a bit of a loner and kept to myself and enjoyed my own company but I can still bring forward people that I knew at school. Everybody can.
* For somebody that claims to be a physicist, he did really badly at school and only got a C in math and never took physics. You would need a much better education to be let into either Caltec or MIT or even get a job at Area 51 at the level he claims to have held.
* His character is dodgy. He was involved with running a brothel. Does that make him a bad man and a lair in of itself? No. But if all we are going on is the testimony of one man and no other proof then it doesn't bode well that he is truthful. In a court of law, hell even getting a job, the character of the person is important.
* A lot of the science stuff he says has been debunked or makes no sense.
The element 114 has been created and it isn't heavy and only exists in a stable form for mere seconds. It doesn't need to be created in a star which he claims.
He says UFOs are erratic because the Earth's gravitational field is uneven. While it's true the difference is less than 1 percent. You would think aliens that have mastered interstellar travel and are thousands of years in advance of us would be able to compensate for such a small difference.
He says the star where they come from. I don't recall what it is without looking but that system doesn't show any signs of life, has no habitable planets that we know about. Is it possible that we either can't detect life there or that we simply haven't found the planet? Sure, it's possible but we can only go on what evidence we have; what we have says there is no life there.
* Nobody has ever come forward and said yes he worked there as a physicist in a top-secret lab. Sure, a negative isn't a proof he did't, but it isn't proof either. We have no proof.
* there is documentation that he did work there for around 2 weeks as a radiation inspector. Could be a fake but Occam's razor states that the simplest answer with the least supposition is the correct answer so instead of falling back on shadowy conspiracy we can just assume sure it's real.
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That is also a pretty compelling debunking.
One also has to look at Moore's law, the rate of technological improvement is following that law, as far as I know. This would suggest that the supposed leaps from this research are not consistent with the linear gradient.
It is hard to square his story with much because all I have is his personal testimony as I don't follow this stuff at all. Ultimately, as with so many conspiracy theories, I am not sure I care that much. -
Waffleaber 826 posts
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Fake_Blood 11,093 posts
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Registered 12 years agoI'm halfway through the podcast, and I agree that Bob lazar doesn't come across as crackpot. But I think it is perfectly possible that after 40 years he has started to believe his own story.
I can only speak for the scientific parts, but on two accounts the guy with the beard says Bob predicted element 115 and gravitational waves in the 80s before anyone knew about them, and if Bob was a real scientist he should say these things were undetected in the 80s, but have been predicted long before that. I mean, Einstein predicted gravitational waves in 1916, and wikipedia says about element 115; "In 1979 IUPAC recommended that the placeholder systematic element name ununpentium (with the corresponding symbol of Uup)[26] be used until the discovery of the element is confirmed and a permanent name is decided. Although widely used in the chemical community on all levels, from chemistry classrooms to advanced textbooks, the recommendations were mostly ignored among scientists in the field, who called it "element 115", with the symbol of E115, (115) or even simply 115."
In other words, any physicist that went to MIT in 70s must have known about it. Now we know that 115 is unstable, so he counters that by saying it was a stable isotope. But isotopes are easy to measure, you just weigh a sample, he should be able to say which isotope it was.
But most of all, if it was all true, surely he'd be taken out by now? No way is the US going to show some guy their most secret hardware, an alien anti-gravity reactor, and then just let him walk out, and only erase him ever being a student at MIT. -
wobbly_Bob 5,162 posts
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Registered 15 years agoMr_Sleep wrote:
Yeah. Also if they really had this technology it makes absolutely no sense they would reverse engineer something and then NOT use it.
That is also a pretty compelling debunking.
One also has to look at Moore's law, the rate of technological improvement is following that law, as far as I know. This would suggest that the supposed leaps from this research are not consistent with the linear gradient.
It is hard to square his story with much because all I have is his personal testimony as I don't follow this stuff at all. Ultimately, as with so many conspiracy theories, I am not sure I care that much.
Scientist one: AT LAST! The secrets of UFO technology are ours! Limitless energy! Travel at incredible speeds! We could be at our enemies doorsteps in mere seconds! Space travel! Advanced computer technology! Advanced alloys! This will change EVERYTHING.
Scientist two: Yes. But we can't use any of it because it has to be a secret.
Scientist one: What was the point of us spending the last 70 years researching this shit? Did we just waste our time and billions of dollars?
Scientist two: pretty much.
Edited by wobbly_Bob at 19:39:25 22-06-2019 -
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Registered 15 years agoFake_Blood wrote:
For sure they would kill him. The argument from the defenders would be to say they can't because then people would know he is telling the truth. That's nonsense. Nobody would care apart from a fringe UFO and conspiracy movement that actually cares. People have been killed by governments plenty of times for much less. See the guy killed recently by polonium poisoning. If he really knew this stuff he would be murdered quick smart.
But most of all, if it was all true, surely he'd be taken out by now? No way is the US going to show some guy their most secret hardware, an alien anti-gravity reactor, and then just let him walk out, and only erase him ever being a student at MIT. -
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Registered 14 years agowobbly_Bob wrote:
It actually makes perfect sense that they don't use it. You don't play your ace card if an 8 can win the hand. You don't win a race by 10 minutes if a second will do. The US is the dominant super power anyway. They've no need to give away any secrets they don't have to.
Mr_Sleep wrote:
Yeah. Also if they really had this technology it makes absolutely no sense they would reverse engineer something and then NOT use it.
That is also a pretty compelling debunking.
One also has to look at Moore's law, the rate of technological improvement is following that law, as far as I know. This would suggest that the supposed leaps from this research are not consistent with the linear gradient.
It is hard to square his story with much because all I have is his personal testimony as I don't follow this stuff at all. Ultimately, as with so many conspiracy theories, I am not sure I care that much.
Scientist one: AT LAST! The secrets of UFO technology are ours! Limitless energy! Travel at incredible speeds! We could be at our enemies doorsteps in mere seconds! Space travel! Advanced computer technology! Advanced alloys! This will change EVERYTHING.
Scientist two: Yes. But we can't use any of it because it has to be a secret.
Scientist one: What was the point of us spending the last 70 years researching this shit? Did we just waste our time and billions of dollars?
Scientist two: pretty much. -
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Registered 7 years agoI’m sorry but I really don’t see why anyone thinks he’s more credible than many other nut jobs. You can seem perfectly rational and still be an insane conspiracy theorist. -
fontgeeksogood 12,913 posts
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Registered 3 years agoBecause it's the Age of Fuck Facts, seemingly -
prettyvacant 389 posts
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Registered 19 years agoIt's nice that between advancing human kind with his MIT degree and no doubt fighting off the women with a shitty stick that he can find the time to write some poorly reviewed books and attend U.F.O conferences , whattaguy ! -
DakeyrasUK 5,311 posts
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Registered 8 years agoSimple reason why I don't think he is telling the truth is the probability of it. If an alien civilisation had the ability to get to us they would be well aware of how unlikely that scenario is. It would be momentous, they would either be totally forward thinking and try to help us, so it being a secret would not be in their interest or they would see us as a threat and we would all be dead...
Ask yourself what is more likely, he is deluded/a con or winning the lottery 3 times in a row? Cos finding alien life probably has longer odds than the latter. -
jrmat 283 posts
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Registered 4 years agoWow, fascinating stuff, love it. On the fence and erring to the side of there not being alien craft, but it's certainly a lot more convincing compared to everything else on the subject. Bob certainly believes what he's saying and if I was the government wanting to keep this stuff under wraps then making these people objects of ridicule would be the best bet. -
DakeyrasUK wrote:
To be fair there are more factors then that, for instance the probability of an intelligent alien race being alive and active in civilised human history are far smaller than an intelligent alien race being alive at some point in the history of the universe. I don’t think the guy is claiming aliens are visiting us (is he?) so the idea that there are alien spacecraft somewhere on earth doesn’t mean there has been alien contact with humans.
Simple reason why I don't think he is telling the truth is the probability of it. If an alien civilisation had the ability to get to us they would be well aware of how unlikely that scenario is. It would be momentous, they would either be totally forward thinking and try to help us, so it being a secret would not be in their interest or they would see us as a threat and we would all be dead...
Ask yourself what is more likely, he is deluded/a con or winning the lottery 3 times in a row? Cos finding alien life probably has longer odds than the latter.
Regardless, it’s still bloody unlikely that any of this is the truth.
Edited by AaronTurner at 16:44:04 23-06-2019 -
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Registered 7 years agoIt’s science fiction dressed up as facts, pretty much the same as every conspiracy theory. -
Decks 31,013 posts
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Registered 6 years agoIt's an interesting story and it's not beyond the realms of possibility. The fact that he's not dead would suggest it's bullshit though. -
As an abductee who endured many a late-night probing aboard a saucer I believe every word that he says. You would too if you'd endured what I have.
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