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How crap is the IPOD Shuffle • Page 4
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Lutz 48,870 posts
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Registered 18 years agoJos wrote:
Which is exactly what I'm saying...
Er - you can promote agnosticism with zeal or conscientious devotion, just as you can promote the virtues of designer branding...
Atheist's believe something strongly. That's not the same as it being a defacto religion.
Christians: "God exists! We're right!"
Muslims: "Allah exists! We're right!"
Atheists: "No God exists! We're right!"
Agnostics: "Erm... who gives a damn?"
And you're saying that Aethism doesn't share the same passions and ideas of a Religion?
Please... it's the same thing, just without a god at the head of it all. And quite frankly god and religion should be bloody seperated anyway.
A group of people adamantly declaring that what they believe in is correct on the basis of no evidence, and closing their minds to other concepts, whilst frequently trying to convert other people to their methods of belief. Religion.
From Wiki:
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sometimes used interchangeably with faith or belief system—is commonly defined as belief concerning the supernatural, sacred, or divine, and the moral codes, practices and institutions associated with such belief.
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Sounds like an Aethiest can fit right in there.
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Jos 712 posts
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Registered 20 years agoLutz...
It shares some of the same letters as well but that doesn't make Atheism a religion either.
You seem to give the word religion a very wide definition, which I think is simply wrong. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree then...
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Jos 712 posts
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Registered 20 years agootto wrote:
...angels on pinheads...
Lovely phrase. -
Lutz wrote:
Sorry, but arse.
A group of people adamantly declaring that what they believe in is correct on the basis of no evidence, and closing their minds to other concepts, whilst frequently trying to convert other people to their methods of belief. Religion.
From Wiki:
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sometimes used interchangeably with faith or belief system—is commonly defined as belief concerning the supernatural, sacred, or divine, and the moral codes, practices and institutions associated with such belief.
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Sounds like an Aethiest can fit right in there.
It isn't by any means a religious organisation however.
"I believe in God because of faith, not fact!" = religion
"I don't believe there's a god because there's no evidence or requirement for one to exist" = atheism
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Lutz 48,870 posts
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Registered 18 years agoRetroid wrote:
Erm, we'll have to agree to disagree there then. As far as I'm concerned, and as far as the dictionary is conerned, atheism is simply the none belief or denial of deities.
"I don't believe there's a god because there's no evidence or requirement for one to exist" = atheism
Not, infact: "I don't believe in a god because of faith, not fact!"
Not due to lack of evidence or anything, but that they simply deny that god does exist.
They are activly stating something with nothing to back it besides the words coming out of their mouths.
I have said that aethism is not a religion in the normal sense, however it DOES share a LOT of common factors.
Edit: Fairly big typo in the middle of that.
Edited by Lutz at 18:16:53 23-06-2005 -
Lutz wrote:
It is, in the simplest and most basic definition.
Erm, we'll have to agree to disagree there then. As far as I'm concerned, and as far as the dictionary is conerned, atheism is simply the none belief or denial of deities.
But then, religion would probably be defined as the belief in the existance of a supernatural force.Not due to lack of evidence or anything, but that they simply deny that god does exist.
But that's a presumption, isn't it?
They are activly stating something with nothing to back it besides the words coming out of their mouths.
It's completely daft to believe anything with nothing whatsoever to back it upI have said that aethism is not a religion in the normal sense, however it DOES share a LOT of common factors.
We'd definately have to agree to disagree on that, as I see absolutely no commonality at all..gif)
edit: phew, please that posted - bloody lappy froze up just as it was submitting it O_o;;
Edited by Retroid at 19:19:12 23-06-2005 -
mal 29,326 posts
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Registered 20 years agoI'd personally define "I don't believe there's a god because there's no evidence or requirement for one to exist" as agnosticism, rather than atheism. In derivation, the two words are almost equivalent: a-gnosticism versus a-theism, gnositicism being mysticism, and theism being the belief in God. Personally, I take the view that atheism is the belief that there is evidence that disproves God, and agnositicism is the belief in the absence of evidence either way.
There's another definition of the words, but if I were to try to describe that I'd end up souning like Donald Rumsfeld ('there are known unknowns, that is things we know we don't know') and I don't want to do that. But under that system, the above position would be called weak-atheism. -
Cheers, mal ^__^
I choose to describe myself as atheist because I see absolutely nothing which is beyond our comprehension in the long term. We're just in the process of understanding.
In fact, the only thing I see as beyond our comprehension is the sheer scale of the universe! O_o;;
Anyway, about those iPod Shuffles...
/Uses Ngage with built-in MP3 player so has no need for such a beast -
Lutz 48,870 posts
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Registered 18 years agoRight, let's sod that lot off. It's boring...
*ahem*
My phone plays MP3s.
AND, get this, it shuffles. BUT! It also doesn't.
So ner.
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Ngage! omgz! -
Lutz 48,870 posts
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Registered 18 years agoBertie wrote:
Don't diss the phone of the taco people.
Ngage! omgz! -
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/Has a MOD-playing proggy on his Ngage, too
/Listens to Turrican, Cannon Fodder's theme tune, Shadow of the Beast & Tempest 2000 soundtracks
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BTW, what phone did you end up with, Lutzie? Didn't you flush yours? ^__^;; -
Lutz 48,870 posts
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Registered 18 years agoRetroid wrote:
BTW, what phone did you end up with, Lutzie? Didn't you flush yours? ^__^;;
Bought another model, same one, but that's nto quite right, so the lady on ebay has offered a refund, and I managed to clean my up. the 3, 9 and # keys are dodgy, but it'll work for now. It only needs to last till april though.
Nokia 3300 BTW, the smaller, slimlined, sexier cousin of the N-Gage, minus all the features though, except MP3s! -
Lutz 48,870 posts
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Registered 18 years agocubbymoore wrote:
Did you take that just now cubby?
Damn, I'm a bit late for this one.
Nice doggy. Woof -
You leave her out of this. -
Lutz wrote:
\o/
Nokia 3300 BTW, the smaller, slimlined, sexier cousin of the N-Gage, minus all the features though, except MP3s!
Thought that one looked quite good when I saw it at the meet. Does it have a radio too, like?
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Oi!
I voted Lib Dem and eat Muesli!
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Khanivor 44,800 posts
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Registered 20 years agoReligions are based on the notion of faith. Atheism is based on the notion of observed deficiencies on those articles of faith, (either that or you grew up in some mythical society where the unexplained doesn’t require some fantastical set of stories.) Therefore it’s not religious.
A religious type is likely to say, “I believe in the word of my god as written down in this book”
An atheist may say, as one example, “but look at how gods have developed over human history. 1st we worshipped the sun, then we worshipped the animals, then we worshiped myths, then we worshipped the amalgamation of those myths and then we started to worship the people who claimed to represent that amalgamation. When did we start to worship the right god, and where does that leave all those other believers in the grand scheme of things, especially as relates to their afterlife?”
Also, religious types tend to have a standard and regular form of worship. The closest this atheist comes to that is banging out some words about the subject on an internet forum. -
cov 2,524 posts
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Registered 18 years agootto wrote:
Ditto agnosticism - literally "no-knowledge-ism" - can be as simple as "meh, I don't know and don't care" or as complex as "having studied theology, theosophy and philosophy for twenty years I have come to the conclusion that no human intellect can comprehend the complexity of the issue and therefore I deliberately choose not to take a position on the existence of god." It really depends on what the person means when they use the term.
exactly, its a cheap shot to label an agnoistic as having "I don;t care" or "its irrelevant" to me position
At least the agnostic stance is often more humble than both the religious and athestic point of view - both are dogmatic and assume knowledge/understanding. Agnositicism is more concerned with accepting the limits of understanding and not making claims to priviledged or superior knowledge.
e.g. religions can be seen to base their beliefs on man's interpretation of supposedly sacred texts and the mores and norms of previous ages and social circumstances - rather than supposedly divine knowledge. Atheism can be viewed as a similarly arrogant belief system by assuming the individual or mankind as a whole has enough of an understanding of the universe so to dismiss any notion of a creator, superior intelliegence or morally superior entity
we all encounter our own ignorance every day and see how man's knowledge and understanding is constantly evolving and being reinterpreted - to assume we know there is no such entity I find kind of breathtaking (and I felt I was an atheist throughout my 20's)
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otto wrote:
wtf, this is an iPod thread? o_O
At the moment. It seems to be evolving at an alarming rate. -
mal 29,326 posts
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Registered 20 years agootto wrote:
Depends how you don't believe in Him. In my definition, if you just think that on the balance of probabilities, there is no God, I'd say you were agnostic. I'd only say you were an atheist if you were to say it is impossible for Him to exist.
Yes there are more things in heaven and earth that are dreamt of in your philosophy, yadda yadda, but I still don't believe in God or gods. And that makes me an atheist, I think. -
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What don't you like about the shuffle? I quite like it, it does what it says on the box, it's overpriced though and I think the lack of a navigation system is gimmicky. Where it is worth it though is in the integration with iTunes. If you don't use iTunes then it's pointless getting one. Ditto with the iPod, I'd suggest. -
Be sure to check reviews of the iRiver's sound quality. I have no personal experience with them but I'm told it's poor.
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