Following Japan Rugby World Cup 2019 Page 29

  • Tomo 2 Nov 2019 11:44:19 19,565 posts
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    sport wrote:
    I'm crying.
    Congrats sport!
  • swede 2 Nov 2019 11:59:28 583 posts
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    Well played SA. Totally dominated us up front. Pivotal moment when Sinkler went off. Impossible to tell, but it may have improved the scrums...

    Not bitter about the result, as the boks played so well (shutting the door just like we did to the ABs last week)... however I was frustrated by some of the decisions and thought Garcès was poor.

    1. Clear forward passes in the decisive try
    2. Inconsistent reffing in the scrums... England should have had 2 of those scrum penalties ... SA 16 hooker stood up in one scrum and the other was when Marler came on SA had defending scrum. England drove them off and wheeled 90. Penalty to SA? Totally inconsistent...

    However, hats off to SA... they thoroughly deserved to win today.... just so disappointing after last week.

    Japan 2nd team of the tournament for me and an amazing World Cup!
  • swede 2 Nov 2019 12:01:18 583 posts
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    Also did anyone spot the flying wedge maul? Made illegal years ago
  • Alastair 2 Nov 2019 12:16:18 24,828 posts
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    swede wrote:
    Also did anyone spot the flying wedge maul? Made illegal years ago
    I did.
    But, I think they weren't touching the ball carrier until after contact...
  • Load_2.0 2 Nov 2019 12:22:45 33,582 posts
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    sport wrote:
    Do feel bad for England - team has been immense this WC but just wasn't their day. Still a lot to come from them.
    Well done Bokkie! You guys played an incredible game against an amazing England team.

    Well deserved champions!

    Baie geluk!!
  • arsenalherd 2 Nov 2019 12:23:24 158 posts
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    Off down the boozer in a hour, free breakfast before and free chilli after game, can't stand rugby but it's free food 😂
    With that username it sounds like you can't stand football either.... Sorry I couldn't resist. I will also be on the rugby bandwagon and be down the pub
    I'm fully fed and had a few pints, perfect for Arsenal later as can't watch them sober
  • sport 2 Nov 2019 12:46:22 17,064 posts
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    @Load_2.0 @Tomo Thanks guys. I was little taken aback by the performance. I do think that the AB result last week played into our hands somewhat. Many saw it as "the final" so it took a little pressure off Boks, but piled it onto Eng as they were expected to cruise through it.

    Anyway, been a great tournament.
  • Gibroon 2 Nov 2019 13:03:55 2,658 posts
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    Not a fan of taking the runner up medals off. Bit disrespectful imo, you don't see athletes taking their silver or bronze medals off.
    I've seen footballers do it but didn't think rugby players would stoop so low.
    I couldn't disagree more. I genuinely don't see the point of 'runners up medals'. You either win or you are nothing*. That's the entire point of (elite) sport.
    Save everyone the embarrassment of handing out something they don't want. Any self respecting player would refuse it. Or sell it on ebay.

    * I do think individual sports are slightly different. And athletics has a long tradition of podium placement for 1st / 2nd / 3rd, but in team sports you're either the best or just amongst the losers. Liverpool's 'associate winners' position in last season's premier league is a great example - huge points tally, great play; amounted to nothing (domestically)
    I can see your point(s) but I still think 2nd is a good achievement to get to a final over all the other teams.

    Anyway, good second half of rugby. SA defense was immense and lovely couple of tries in the end.
  • Load_2.0 2 Nov 2019 13:46:40 33,582 posts
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    Yeah it's hugely disrespectful. Honestly the biggest problem with all English sports is the arrogance.

    If your not going to accept/wear your medal. Dont come out to the ceremony, sit in the changing room and sulk.
  • RyanDS 2 Nov 2019 13:49:44 14,073 posts
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    Still shaking. And still bursting into tears. Swear to god I had tears running down my face at the end of the game.

    I dont think anyone outside of south Africa can understand just how it is not a sport for us, is is the one Unitedr in a fucked up country.

    Watching a black guy from the slums lifting that trophy is a symbol that will do more for us than anything else. It is up there Mandela wearing the shirt.

    Cant stop crying.
  • IMO 2 Nov 2019 13:52:00 7,883 posts
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    Load_2.0 wrote:
    Yeah it's hugely disrespectful. Honestly the biggest problem with all English sports is the arrogance.

    If your not going to accept/wear your medal. Dont come out to the ceremony, sit in the changing room and sulk.
    I think that's pretty harsh. They've just lost the biggest game of their lives. I don't think it's arrogance to not really be in the state of mind to want to appreciate the runners up prize immediately.
  • swede 2 Nov 2019 13:53:09 583 posts
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    RyanDS wrote:
    Still shaking. And still bursting into tears. Swear to god I had tears running down my face at the end of the game.

    I dont think anyone outside of south Africa can understand just how it is not a sport for us, is is the one Unitedr in a fucked up country.

    Watching a black guy from the slums lifting that trophy is a symbol that will do more for us than anything else. It is up there Mandela wearing the shirt.

    Cant stop crying.
    Love this sentiment. Seeing him the lift the trophy will be just as iconic as Pienar’s handshake. Enjoy your night man.
  • elstoof 2 Nov 2019 13:55:15 28,125 posts
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    Load_2.0 wrote:
    Yeah it's hugely disrespectful. Honestly the biggest problem with all English sports is the arrogance.

    If your not going to accept/wear your medal. Dont come out to the ceremony, sit in the changing room and sulk.
    Or you could argue that you take it off when you feel you didn’t perform well enough to deserve it. There’s a difference between a sore loser and being disappointed with yourself, but England teams always get lumped with this label of arrogance even when there’s been absolutely no sign of anything you could remotely mistake for it, it’s as boring a cliche as anything
  • Load_2.0 2 Nov 2019 13:56:39 33,582 posts
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    IMO wrote:
    Load_2.0 wrote:
    Yeah it's hugely disrespectful. Honestly the biggest problem with all English sports is the arrogance.

    If your not going to accept/wear your medal. Dont come out to the ceremony, sit in the changing room and sulk.
    I think that's pretty harsh. They've just lost the biggest game of their lives. I don't think it's arrogance to not really be in the state of mind to want to appreciate the runners up prize immediately.
    It's not harsh. They are professional athletes not school boys. You take the wind and the losses.

    Plenty of countries lost big games this tournament and they all showed each other respect at the end of the game.

    It's pure petulance.
  • elstoof 2 Nov 2019 14:00:24 28,125 posts
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    Where was this lack of respect that the England players showed to South Africa
  • IMO 2 Nov 2019 14:02:13 7,883 posts
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    Load_2.0 wrote:
    It's not harsh. They are professional athletes not school boys. You take the wind and the losses.

    Plenty of countries lost big games this tournament and they all showed each other respect at the end of the game.

    It's pure petulance.
    Am I missing something? Did they do something other than take off their medals and look miserable? If that's petulance to you, fair enough.
  • Load_2.0 2 Nov 2019 14:05:30 33,582 posts
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    If you get a medal in a ceremony you wear it. Dont refuse to put it on or immediately tear it off.

    Win with modesty, lose with dignity.
  • elstoof 2 Nov 2019 14:07:31 28,125 posts
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    Amazing claims coming from a kiwi
  • Load_2.0 2 Nov 2019 14:11:08 33,582 posts
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    Well we wore our bronze medals with pride.

    We show respect to both our opposition and the sport/traditions.

    Shame your lot couldn't do the same.
  • IMO 2 Nov 2019 14:12:15 7,883 posts
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    It's a fair argument and definitely something to strive for. I think we expect too much of elite sportsmen to always hit that mark though. It's definitely not just an English thing either.
  • IMO 2 Nov 2019 14:14:24 7,883 posts
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    Load_2.0 wrote:
    Well we wore our bronze medals with pride.

    We show respect to both our opposition and the sport/traditions.

    Shame your lot couldn't do the same.
    I think it would have been a bit different if you'd just lost the final.
  • elstoof 2 Nov 2019 14:21:37 28,125 posts
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    And yet it’s the English who are arrogant somehow
  • Load_2.0 2 Nov 2019 14:21:51 33,582 posts
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    Arf! We've lost plenty of finals.

    Still manage to put a brave face on till we are off the field.
  • Decks 2 Nov 2019 14:26:09 31,013 posts
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    guys GUYS

    Stop this madness. It's rugby. It doesn't matter.
  • elstoof 2 Nov 2019 14:36:49 28,125 posts
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    Load_2.0 wrote:
    Well we wore our bronze medals with pride.
    The difference is your players won a match to get the medal, our players just lost to get theirs


    We show respect to both our opposition and the sport/traditions.

    Shame your lot couldn't do the same.
    No arrogance at all in this statement, no siree
  • Load_2.0 2 Nov 2019 14:39:48 33,582 posts
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    Just facts.
  • swede 2 Nov 2019 14:49:05 583 posts
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    Just bought myself some ‘kings’ biltong to ‘celebrate’ (commiserate) probably not very authentic or good quality... lol

    What’s best to drink with it? Beer or sipping some whisky or spirits?
  • sport 2 Nov 2019 14:53:27 17,064 posts
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    Probably a savannah dry cider as it's easily available at Tescos.
  • sport 2 Nov 2019 14:54:29 17,064 posts
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    Wine should only be drunk if it's in a box.
  • swede 2 Nov 2019 15:12:48 583 posts
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    I’ll try get some savannah then... sainsburys though... not going all the way to Tesco’s now!
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