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  • Derblington 10 Oct 2019 17:09:57 31,987 posts
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    Ok geniuses, what's the character arc/motivation you envision for making it work?

    It seems like the perfect one-and-done with what we have. It's well made, acted, and relatively insightful.
  • Your-Mother 10 Oct 2019 17:40:17 2,996 posts
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    Iím not sure we need a sequel to Batman Begins, whatís going to happen, Batman saves Gotham from another villain again, how boring and stale.
  • Dirt3 10 Oct 2019 17:41:09 492 posts
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    Something to do with the penguin.
  • Dirt3 10 Oct 2019 17:42:16 492 posts
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    In the old batman movie the submarine had flippers that moved like a penguins feet.
  • Lukus 10 Oct 2019 17:58:50 22,107 posts
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    Derblington wrote:
    Ok geniuses, what's the character arc/motivation you envision for making it work?

    It seems like the perfect one-and-done with what we have. It's well made, acted, and relatively insightful.
    That's not my job. I don't just go and see films where I've already envisioned the story... Also I'm not arrogant enough or shortsighted enough to think that if I can't think of an interesting development that no one else can.

    Edited by Lukus at 17:59:14 10-10-2019
  • adamasunder12 10 Oct 2019 18:27:00 926 posts
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    Your-Mother wrote:
    Iím not sure we need a sequel to Batman Begins, whatís going to happen, Batman saves Gotham from another villain again, how boring and stale.
    To be fair Batman needed to face Joker. Likewise a Joker sequel needs Batman.

    I think Derbs is right. It probably doesn't need a Joker sequel and Joaquin is arguably too old to face off against Robert Battison. Its not completely off the menu but Todd doesn't intend on making one. I also don't think it's arrogant to suggest it's a struggle to envisage a sequel. Many sequels are absolutely pointless. It doesn't take a screenwriter to fathom this. Just experience watching lots of films and an ounce of insight.

    Better to just do another villain origin if they must.

    Edited by adamasunder12 at 18:35:14 10-10-2019
  • Not-a-reviewer 10 Oct 2019 18:36:16 5,828 posts
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    I would love to see someone like Fincher be given one of the characters.
  • adamasunder12 10 Oct 2019 18:40:45 926 posts
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    Yeah, that would be very interesting
  • Not-a-reviewer 10 Oct 2019 18:40:46 5,828 posts
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    And itís ridiculous to think itís impossible to make a decent sequel, or stating thereís no need for one. Thereís never a need for a film and thereís any number of ways you could have a sequel, wanted or not.
  • nickthegun 10 Oct 2019 19:01:04 78,772 posts
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    A sequel, maybe, but can you imagine them trying to spin an extended universe off from this and maintain a consistent look and tone? It would be absolutely dreadful.
  • adamasunder12 10 Oct 2019 19:05:12 926 posts
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    Not-a-reviewer wrote:
    And itís ridiculous to think itís impossible to make a decent sequel, or stating thereís no need for one. Thereís never a need for a film and thereís any number of ways you could have a sequel, wanted or not.
    Not impossible. Very unlikely. Plus Phoenix doesn't typically do sequels. Any film where a character has a complete arc is very hard to do a satisfying sequel for. Most people if honest can count on one hand how many sequels (not trilogies or sagas) that were actually any good or added anything to the story. Trilogies or sagas arcs are spun out over the series.

    Can't see it personally but willing to be proved wrong.

    Edited by adamasunder12 at 19:07:58 10-10-2019
  • Decks Best Forumite, 2016 10 Oct 2019 19:06:08 21,090 posts
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    It's raking it in at the box office apparently so they'll definitely try to replicate it stylistically.
  • Load_2.0 10 Oct 2019 19:25:20 29,927 posts
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    Has anyone addressed the narrative similarity of The Mask?
  • adamasunder12 10 Oct 2019 19:27:08 926 posts
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    Go on
  • JamboWayOh 10 Oct 2019 19:30:40 15,074 posts
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    Load_2.0 wrote:
    Has anyone addressed the narrative similarity of The Mask?
    I thought it was more in tone to Sister Act tbh.
  • Not-a-reviewer 10 Oct 2019 19:32:22 5,828 posts
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    Good enough talent and enough freedom could end up with some others that are good. There arenít that many actors of Phoenixís ability but then few had much faith in Phillips based on what heís done before.

    If they do and theyíre good then Iíll watch otherwise I donít care.
  • JamboWayOh 10 Oct 2019 19:35:50 15,074 posts
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    That's pretty much it really, people who are more talented than me who also work in the film industry are able to make a film sequel if they really want to, because, well, that's their job to.
  • fontgeeksogood 10 Oct 2019 19:37:05 7,025 posts
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    All the good movies are made now, shut down Hollywood
  • JamboWayOh 10 Oct 2019 19:40:04 15,074 posts
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    @fontgeeksogood

    What about Bollywood, PES?
  • fontgeeksogood 10 Oct 2019 20:22:27 7,025 posts
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    I feel Bollywood is yet to fully explore a story about a rags to riches girl who marries a prince via interpretive dance for 3 hours
  • Derblington 10 Oct 2019 20:44:14 31,987 posts
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    Lukus wrote:
    That's not my job. I don't just go and see films where I've already envisioned the story... Also I'm not arrogant enough or shortsighted enough to think that if I can't think of an interesting development that no one else can.
    I didnít claim it was your job, itís a discussion.

    Iím well aware a sequel can be written but weíve had Fleckís spiral into murdering villain. Itís perfectly self-contained. He canít become the hero without totally breaking the character and another spiral is redundant. I guess you could see him break out of Arkham and become a competent criminal rather than just a cold-blooded murderer, but I donít see where that ends without involving Batman, which theyíve said they donít want to do. Rise-to-kingpin films tend to work by ending in some tragedy, which a Joker film canít do. They canít kill him unless this version of the world never seeís a Batman/Joker relationship, which would fly in the face of this being that character.

    I totally disagree with your assessment of yourself just judging from your constant snarky bullshit at me for the last 18 months. Why donít you just put me on ignore and do us all a favor?

    Edited by Derblington at 20:44:48 10-10-2019
  • Derblington 10 Oct 2019 20:53:57 31,987 posts
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    A point of contention a colleague mentioned earlier today was the insistence of tying the origin of Joker to the Wayneís, creating a Skywalker-esque dependence on the family ties. He found it too ďtry-hardĒ.

    I kinda thought it worked well enough for what was presented but hearing his criticism immediately reminded me of Burtonís ďI made you? You made me firstĒ but reversed.
  • nickthegun 10 Oct 2019 20:56:33 78,772 posts
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    I suppose the difference with that is that they have built up Batman and The Joker to be two sides of the same coin
  • Lukus 10 Oct 2019 21:10:19 22,107 posts
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    Derblington wrote:
    Lukus wrote:
    That's not my job. I don't just go and see films where I've already envisioned the story... Also I'm not arrogant enough or shortsighted enough to think that if I can't think of an interesting development that no one else can.
    I didnít claim it was your job, itís a discussion.

    Iím well aware a sequel can be written but weíve had Fleckís spiral into murdering villain. Itís perfectly self-contained. He canít become the hero without totally breaking the character and another spiral is redundant. I guess you could see him break out of Arkham and become a competent criminal rather than just a cold-blooded murderer, but I donít see where that ends without involving Batman, which theyíve said they donít want to do. Rise-to-kingpin films tend to work by ending in some tragedy, which a Joker film canít do. They canít kill him unless this version of the world never seeís a Batman/Joker relationship, which would fly in the face of this being that character.

    I totally disagree with your assessment of yourself just judging from your constant snarky bullshit at me for the last 18 months. Why donít you just put me on ignore and do us all a favor?
    Or you could stop saying stupid shit all the time.
  • Derblington 10 Oct 2019 21:26:23 31,987 posts
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    Youíre an adult choosing to pick on people on the internet. Take a look at yourself fella.
  • adamasunder12 10 Oct 2019 21:29:53 926 posts
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    For people more qualified than us there are sure a lot of whopping great plot holes, insane subplots, wild character assassinations and political bullshit that the everyman can spot a mile off.

    There are more hacks in ascendance than actual talent and cohesive vision.

    Edited by adamasunder12 at 21:30:39 10-10-2019
  • fontgeeksogood 10 Oct 2019 21:36:08 7,025 posts
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    You know who we need here? Chris Stuckmann
  • creepiest-lizard 10 Oct 2019 21:41:59 754 posts
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    The Jokers done it guys. Heís turned us all against each other
  • Your-Mother 10 Oct 2019 22:03:27 2,996 posts
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    adamasunder12 wrote:
    There are more hacks in ascendance than actual talent and cohesive vision.
    Just hurry up and pimp your soundcloud then go away.
  • retro74 10 Oct 2019 22:13:33 2,870 posts
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    Although you could make a sequel I donít think they should. The marketing people will get hold of it and fuck it up like they always do with sequels

    - moar explodings
    - moar killings
    - moar swearings
    - moar panderings

    That Terminator trailer was a case in point
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