Xbox Series X Page 115

  • dfunked09 15 Oct 2020 18:51:48 517 posts
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    You'd think they would put that extra bit of effort in first party games, but I guess it's probably more involved than them just clicking the "make it load quicker" button for old games.
  • Malek86 15 Oct 2020 19:00:50 10,767 posts
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    I do wonder if we'll see a massive difference in loading times for multiplatform games. I thought we wouldn't, but early results on Series X aren't all that impressive if you ask me, so I wanna see how Sony compares.
  • Phattso 15 Oct 2020 19:12:46 25,939 posts
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    I feel the same way, but then when you see them side by side and itís 8 seconds vs 40+ in that Gears 5 video and I feel a bit foolish. Itís quick enough to not be aggravating, even if not quick enough to whisk my knickers off. :)
  • spookyxelectric 15 Oct 2020 19:26:57 197 posts
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    Loading times are down to one sip of beer from the current two.
  • Armoured_Bear 15 Oct 2020 23:33:33 29,126 posts
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    I have a Series X pre-ordered but there isn't anything at all for me to play at the launch apart from Yakuza 7 and I won't have finished the previous Yakuza games by then.
    I am interested in the Control Ultimate Edition I suppose but probably only if it's better technically than the PS5 version. Wonder if I should just wait....
  • Baihu1983 16 Oct 2020 08:23:55 12,850 posts
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    Hiphopopotamus wrote:
    Blackmarsh63 wrote:
    More stock from MS rumoured for tomorrow.
    Hope so. Heard the same rumour for prime day. Couldnít sleep so was up until 5am but no luck.. and I said I didnít want one as I have a One X 😂
    Any confirmation on this?
  • beastmaster 16 Oct 2020 09:38:20 21,395 posts
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    Baihu1983 wrote:
    Hiphopopotamus wrote:
    Blackmarsh63 wrote:
    More stock from MS rumoured for tomorrow.
    Hope so. Heard the same rumour for prime day. Couldnít sleep so was up until 5am but no luck.. and I said I didnít want one as I have a One X 😂
    Any confirmation on this?
    Was nosy and had a quick look on MS site and ShopTo. Nothing as of yet.

    Edit: Was looking at screenshots from Watch Dogs: Legion on their social media pages. It looks stunning.

    Edited by beastmaster at 09:39:10 16-10-2020
  • Blackmarsh63 16 Oct 2020 09:43:56 3,724 posts
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    @Baihu1983 No activity on Amazon or Simply either :(
  • Technoishmatt 16 Oct 2020 09:56:59 4,624 posts
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    I guess running around in London in Legions would be a substitute to the lockdown

    Edited by Technoishmatt at 09:58:12 16-10-2020
  • Malek86 17 Oct 2020 11:42:48 10,767 posts
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    One thing I'm wondering is whether the Series S will also offer a One X-style high resolution mode for patched games. We know Destiny 2 and For Honor will run at 1080p and 60fps, but on the One X they were running at 4K at 30fps. And unless Bungie/Ubisoft is keeping mum about it, there doesn't seem to be a choice for the player.

    Now, in something like Destiny I'd pick 60fps over resolution anyway, but depending on the kind of game I might sometimes be okay with 4K and 30fps. For example, something like Edith Finch could benefit more from the increased resolution over higher framerate.

    I do find the S a fascinating experiment, to my knowledge nobody has ever released a console that was less powerful than the previous one (and that's arguable, since the S has a faster processor and newer architecture than the One X, but the GPU does seem to be a touch slower overall). I don't know where that will lead to, but I'm along for the ride.

    Edited by Malek86 at 11:44:35 17-10-2020
  • Baihu1983 17 Oct 2020 11:45:03 12,850 posts
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    Phil Spencer thinks the S will be the bigger seller in the long run
  • Malek86 17 Oct 2020 12:06:16 10,767 posts
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    It could be, but it would be a stark difference from Sony, who seems to be making very limited quantities of the Digital PS5, and pretty much just so they can market the PS5 as "starting at $399". Be interesting to see how the market reacts to a far cheaper console from a less popular brand.

    Anyway, realistically I'm not even sure the S could do (native) 4K at 30fps in modern games. With the CPU out of the equation, the difference with the One X might be larger than we think.

    Edited by Malek86 at 12:07:53 17-10-2020
  • EMarkM 17 Oct 2020 12:34:45 5,064 posts
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    Baihu1983 wrote:
    Phil Spencer thinks the S will be the bigger seller in the long run
    Iím still planning to get the S unless early reviews prove that it wonít be able to keep up for the length of the generation.
  • Scimarad 17 Oct 2020 15:31:27 9,834 posts
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    The one thing putting me of the S is the lack of a drive. Otherwise it would be great as BC machine for my 360 stuff.
  • Malek86 17 Oct 2020 15:37:13 10,767 posts
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    The lack of drive could be a problem, especially since the machine is aimed at a more mainstream public than the X, and those are the kind of people who are more likely to impulse buy at stores. While the One already had an all-digital model, it was never pushed as much as the others.

    MS did well enough in making sure that people can buy an "Xbox" game and it will work on everything, but I hope the message that the Series S can't play boxed games will come across.

    Otherwise, one day little Jimmy will return home with his new boxed copy of FIFA 22, or maybe receive it as a present from his clueless parents, and wonder where the disc must go.

    Edited by Malek86 at 15:39:05 17-10-2020
  • Waffleaber 17 Oct 2020 15:48:12 789 posts
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    The vast majority of my gaming is done via Game Pass nowadays so the Series S makes sense but I'm worried developers will make Series X exclusives if the difference between the console performance is too great.

    I can't believe I'm going to say this but the inevitable Digital Foundry comparison article is going to play an important part in whether I get an S
  • EMarkM 17 Oct 2020 15:55:02 5,064 posts
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    Waffleaber wrote:
    The vast majority of my gaming is done via Game Pass nowadays so the Series S makes sense but I'm worried developers will make Series X exclusives if the difference between the console performance is too great.

    I can't believe I'm going to say this but the inevitable Digital Foundry comparison article is going to play an important part in whether I get an S
    Youíve said what Iíve been trying to say myself; thatís pretty much the position Iím in :)
  • Malek86 17 Oct 2020 16:21:11 10,767 posts
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    What if devs aren't allowed to make X exclusives? Will they just not do Xbox ports at all?

    Well, I doubt it will happen anyway. Worst case, I think it would be easy enough for them to just reduce the resolution further, or cut ray tracing, or whatever. But as long as games try to reach for 4K on the other consoles, I think 1080p should be feasible.

    The trouble might start when some games aim for less than that. Demon's Souls is 1440p and apparently has no ray tracing to cut back on. How would a game like that run on the S? 1080p30? 720p60?
  • JamboWayOh 17 Oct 2020 16:24:03 21,097 posts
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    Yeah but Demon Souls is an exclusive for the platform, exclusives will always leverage the hardware better than a 3rd party. There's no point with the endless what if, we'll just see when it's out in the wild.
  • Phattso 17 Oct 2020 16:25:07 25,939 posts
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    I'm not sure Demon's Souls is the best example, as it can't be clear how much of the PS3 legacy architecture might play a part there. I think it's pretty embarrassing if the PS5's great hope for launch is a PS3 port that doesn't hit native 4K, but I'd understand if that's an issue with the porting process rather than an indictment of the machine's power.

    But yes - to answer your question - games this gen had no shame in dropping all the way down to 720p on the XB One, so if need be I'm sure 1080p could be sacrificed to get a game to work. Just like on PC, funnily enough. :)
  • JamboWayOh 17 Oct 2020 16:33:32 21,097 posts
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    Phattso wrote:
    I'm not sure Demon's Souls is the best example, as it can't be clear how much of the PS3 legacy architecture might play a part there. I think it's pretty embarrassing if the PS5's great hope for launch is a PS3 port that doesn't hit native 4K, but I'd understand if that's an issue with the porting process rather than an indictment of the machine's power.

    But yes - to answer your question - games this gen had no shame in dropping all the way down to 720p on the XB One, so if need be I'm sure 1080p could be sacrificed to get a game to work. Just like on PC, funnily enough. :)
    Eh? What has the remake got to do with PS3 architecure, it's a remake.
  • Phattso 17 Oct 2020 16:35:55 25,939 posts
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    JamboWayOh wrote:
    Eh? What has the remake got to do with PS3 architecure, it's a remake.
    The last remake they did (Shadow of the Colossus) literally let you swap between the old and the new one on the fly, so there were elements of the old ticking away in the background.

    Unless there's something from Bluepoint themselves saying it's a 100% rewrite, I don't think we can presume it's a clean break.

    If it is, then 1440p is a bit depressing no?
  • JamboWayOh 17 Oct 2020 16:37:24 21,097 posts
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    Well no, 1440p is the high frame rate mode and 4k is the quality mode.
  • Phattso 17 Oct 2020 16:38:27 25,939 posts
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    Ah, I misunderstood. Thanks for the info. (It's still shit ;) )
  • JamboWayOh 17 Oct 2020 16:41:23 21,097 posts
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    Also I have the Shadow of Colossus remake for ps4 I haven't seen an option to flip between different versions, I think that was possible for the ps3 remastered version which went between the ps2 version and ps3 version. The ps4 version is a complete remake.

    Edited by JamboWayOh at 16:42:08 17-10-2020
  • Blackmarsh63 17 Oct 2020 16:41:47 3,724 posts
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    @JamboWayOh I think you lost him at "Exclusives" 🤣
  • Decks 17 Oct 2020 16:42:34 26,870 posts
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    JamboWayOh wrote:
    Also I have the Shadow of Colossus remake for ps4 I haven't seen an option to flip between different versions, I think that was possible for the ps3 remastered version which went between the ps2 version and ps3 version. The ps4 version is a complete remake.
    Yeah you can't.
  • JamboWayOh 17 Oct 2020 16:43:56 21,097 posts
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    STOP WITH YOUR FAKE NEWS PHATTSO!
  • TechnoHippy 17 Oct 2020 17:14:05 17,842 posts
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    Malek86 wrote:
    What if devs aren't allowed to make X exclusives? Will they just not do Xbox ports at all?

    Well, I doubt it will happen anyway. Worst case, I think it would be easy enough for them to just reduce the resolution further, or cut ray tracing, or whatever. But as long as games try to reach for 4K on the other consoles, I think 1080p should be feasible.

    The trouble might start when some games aim for less than that. Demon's Souls is 1440p and apparently has no ray tracing to cut back on. How would a game like that run on the S? 1080p30? 720p60?
    At the moment you can't go X exclusive - you have to support S.
  • Baihu1983 17 Oct 2020 17:27:36 12,850 posts
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    Scimarad wrote:
    The one thing putting me of the S is the lack of a drive. Otherwise it would be great as BC machine for my 360 stuff.
    Yeah think they should have just killed the one off and had 2 versions of the S and X. Physical and digital
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