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  • Deleted user 4 January 2020 08:04:57
    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    I’m in Australia just now. Now miles away from the fires as I’m in Queensland. Last week though, in the Adelaide Hills my brother had to pick his kids up from childcare as fires were getting a bit close.
    Conversation with his wife , an educated Economist who seemed fairly progressive minded and comment such as “the world won’t end tomorrow” and “the media exaggerate “ came from her mouth, as her country burns around her.

    We’re fucked.
    To be fair, I think you'll find she's dead right on both counts.
  • Armoured_Bear 4 Jan 2020 12:16:59 28,696 posts
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    MightyPirate wrote:
    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    I’m in Australia just now. Now miles away from the fires as I’m in Queensland. Last week though, in the Adelaide Hills my brother had to pick his kids up from childcare as fires were getting a bit close.
    Conversation with his wife , an educated Economist who seemed fairly progressive minded and comment such as “the world won’t end tomorrow” and “the media exaggerate “ came from her mouth, as her country burns around her.

    We’re fucked.
    To be fair, I think you'll find she's dead right on both counts.
    What is the media exaggerating ?
  • Deleted user 4 January 2020 12:32:06
    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    MightyPirate wrote:
    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    I’m in Australia just now. Now miles away from the fires as I’m in Queensland. Last week though, in the Adelaide Hills my brother had to pick his kids up from childcare as fires were getting a bit close.
    Conversation with his wife , an educated Economist who seemed fairly progressive minded and comment such as “the world won’t end tomorrow” and “the media exaggerate “ came from her mouth, as her country burns around her.

    We’re fucked.
    To be fair, I think you'll find she's dead right on both counts.
    What is the media exaggerating ?
    Seriously? You don't think the media exaggerate?
  • Mola_Ram 4 Jan 2020 12:40:25 23,529 posts
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    I think the thousand-plus people whose homes burned down might balk at the "media is exaggerating" argument.
  • dominalien 4 Jan 2020 12:41:17 9,538 posts
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    I think there’s an implied “in general” here.
  • Mola_Ram 4 Jan 2020 13:07:34 23,529 posts
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    I guess they do, for some things? But absent everyone hunting down and consuming scientific literature straight from the source, "the media" is probably the best option for getting accurate information about what's going on in the world. Who else would you trust? The government? Anonymous bloggers? Facebook friends?
  • ZuluHero 4 Jan 2020 13:19:39 8,640 posts
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    Slightly off topic, but the most relevant thread; Greta changes her twitter name to 'sharon' after a contestant on a gameshow tried to guess her name:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50989594
  • RobAnybody 4 Jan 2020 13:28:30 2,121 posts
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    For scale, this is an interesting image showing the areas burnt and covered by smoke in Australia relevant to Europe (the brown blob in the middle is the area covered by the fires, the far larger grey area is the smoke):

    https://i.redd.it/z180wjicdl841.jpg

    Edited by RobAnybody at 13:29:24 04-01-2020
  • Fake_Blood 4 Jan 2020 13:38:39 10,232 posts
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    I think they need to be upfront about the fact that if emissions go down by 40% worldwide we are not going to see the effects in our lifetime. I can totally see a few nations say “fuck it” when things keep getting progressively worse even beyond 2050.
  • sport 4 Jan 2020 13:55:13 15,875 posts
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    By my calculations, a global drop of 38.6% in emissions will see a benefit of 23 in about 5 years. That's net btw, not gross benefit.
  • johnnyrocketfingers 4 Jan 2020 14:14:16 262 posts
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    Fake_Blood wrote:
    I think they need to be upfront about the fact that if emissions go down by 40% worldwide we are not going to see the effects in our lifetime. I can totally see a few nations say “fuck it” when things keep getting progressively worse even beyond 2050.
    They are upfront about it. It's a standard FAQ entry for most science institutions that have climate change websites.
  • Fake_Blood 4 Jan 2020 14:26:17 10,232 posts
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    Well yes, but activists need to be upfront about it, even if it makes their message harder to sell.
  • johnnyrocketfingers 4 Jan 2020 14:29:30 262 posts
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    But why? Activism is to bring change so the only messaging they need to deal with is whatever helps bring change. It makes no sense to bring up aspects that do not benefit bringing about change.
  • Mola_Ram 14 Jan 2020 04:49:15 23,529 posts
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    Glol this is ridiculous. It's like there's a heavy fog around, only it's 30 degrees outside. And we're not remotely close to any fires.
  • Armoured_Bear 14 Jan 2020 05:08:18 28,696 posts
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    Mola_Ram wrote:
    Glol this is ridiculous. It's like there's a heavy fog around, only it's 30 degrees outside. And we're not remotely close to any fires.
    Whereabouts are you?
  • TechnoHippy 24 Jan 2020 08:07:43 17,008 posts
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    At last we know the cause!

    https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/18177473.letter-earth-getting-lighter-causing-global-warming
  • IRWATWO 24 Jan 2020 08:31:50 678 posts
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    Lol. So the earth just needs to get down the gym, bulk up a bit.
  • Dandy11 24 Jan 2020 10:14:16 125 posts
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    https://youtu.be/73V4cWMZSLk

    Mallen Baker pro climate change Youtuber

    Edited by Dandy11 at 10:29:42 24-01-2020
  • challenge_hanukkah 24 Jan 2020 10:26:22 12,632 posts
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    Ah Jesus, Guybrush is a climate change denier and a Tory voter?

    He seemed so nice.
  • JamboWayOh 24 Jan 2020 12:47:08 18,790 posts
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    challenge_hanukkah wrote:
    Ah Jesus, Guybrush is a climate change denier and a Tory voter?

    He seemed so nice.
    Eh?
  • Deleted user 24 January 2020 13:11:27
    JamboWayOh wrote:
    challenge_hanukkah wrote:
    Ah Jesus, Guybrush is a climate change denier and a Tory voter?

    He seemed so nice.
    Eh?
    What he said ^
  • Deleted user 24 January 2020 13:14:17
    Oh I see... you mean me saying the media usually exaggerate what they say to mean I'm a climate change denier.

    FWIW, I'm not in league with Trump and I do believe in climate change and that we've basically buggered this world.

    The Tory voting you've got me on though.
  • rice_sandwich 24 Jan 2020 13:30:41 6,426 posts
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    I wonder what we're going to have to give up or do much less of to make actual progress to lessen the effects of climate change? The big stuff, not tip of the iceberg things like recycling or Meatless Monday.

    I like to think I'm doing my bit, but when I really look at how I live, it doesn't seem like much. I, like almost everyone in developed countries are a big part of the problem due to relatively affluent lifestyles and rampant consumption of goods and services.

    Maybe radical, swerping change enforced by governments is the only way forward.
  • Lukus 24 Jan 2020 17:20:11 23,120 posts
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    The truth is, even collectively, what individuals can do compared to big business and institutions is minimal, relatively.

    The whole fossil fuel industry needs to be eradicated across the board and replaced with clean, renewable energy.

    Activists banging on about royals taking private jets everywhere is basically meaningless, when air travel is such an integral part of modern life and something that is not going to go away. Instead, we need to create commercially viable air travel that is fuelled by electricity and solar power and/or any number of other potentially clean technological designs or approaches.

    The whole 'individuals doing their part' thing is just a distraction from the fact that the systems and institutions that our economies and societies are built upon are the real problems.
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